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[23:08:02] <matt_> Ready to call to order today's meeting of the Board of Directors of SoylentNews PBC?
[23:07:34] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Guys, this is a "Board Meeting," we are discussing business matters, not interstaff and procedural stuff.<br />
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<br />[23:08:09] <matt_> First, a reminder that until we adopt an amendment to the bylaws to allow board meetings on IRC, a conservative interpretation of our bylaws suggests that actions that we take here should be unanimous and followed up with an email confirmation to ensure that said actions are binding. Addressing this with an amendment to the bylaws is an item on the agenda for today's meeting.  
[23:07:38] &lt;xlefay&gt; ^^ I think we're starting.<br />
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<br />[23:08:17] <matt_> On that note, so far, I only have 5 items for today's agenda:  
[23:07:41] &lt;NCommander&gt; We should get that BlackHole guy on staff :-P<br />
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<br />[23:08:22] <matt_> 1. Review the minutes of the last meeting.
[23:07:53] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ ready?<br />
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<br />[23:08:26] <matt_> 2. Updates on progress towards financial stability (bank and payment-processor accounts, subscriptions, swag).
[23:08:02] &lt;matt_&gt; Ready to call to order today's meeting of the Board of Directors of SoylentNews PBC?<br />
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<br />[23:08:30] <matt_> 3. Discuss remaining issues related to setting up the corporation (amending the bylaws to allow meetings on IRC, stock proposal, etc.).
[23:08:09] &lt;matt_&gt; First, a reminder that until we adopt an amendment to the bylaws to allow board meetings on IRC, a conservative interpretation of our bylaws suggests that actions that we take here should be unanimous and followed up with an email confirmation to ensure that said actions are binding. Addressing this with an amendment to the bylaws is an item on the agenda for today's meeting.<br />
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<br />[23:08:34] <matt_> 4. Any other business (community involvement in corporate governance, SN policies and procedures manual, including: staff appointment & authority, account and password management, individual team policy, policy on retaining records, etc.).
[23:08:17] &lt;matt_&gt; On that note, so far, I only have 5 items for today's agenda:<br />
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<br />[23:08:37] <matt_> 5. Adjourn.  
[23:08:22] &lt;matt_&gt; 1. Review the minutes of the last meeting.<br />
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<br />[23:08:41] <matt_> Any objections to this agenda or any items to add (remember that items can be added later at any point)?
[23:08:26] &lt;matt_&gt; 2. Updates on progress towards financial stability (bank and payment-processor accounts, subscriptions, swag).<br />
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<br />[23:08:56] <NCommander> No objections here
[23:08:30] &lt;matt_&gt; 3. Discuss remaining issues related to setting up the corporation (amending the bylaws to allow meetings on IRC, stock proposal, etc.).<br />
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<br />[23:09:04] <Bytram> none here
[23:08:34] &lt;matt_&gt; 4. Any other business (community involvement in corporate governance, SN policies and procedures manual, including: staff appointment & authority, account and password management, individual team policy, policy on retaining records, etc.).<br />
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<br />[23:09:06] <mrcoolbp> no objections
[23:08:37] &lt;matt_&gt; 5. Adjourn.<br />
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<br />[23:09:13] <matt_> Great! First up, Item 1: Review the minutes of the last meeting.
[23:08:41] &lt;matt_&gt; Any objections to this agenda or any items to add (remember that items can be added later at any point)?<br />
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<br />[23:09:17] <matt_> At the last meeting, the Board adopted 7 resolutions:
[23:08:56] &lt;NCommander&gt; No objections here<br />
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<br />[23:09:22] <matt_> Resolved: The Certificate of Incorporation and Bylaws are hereby ratified in their current form.
[23:09:04] &lt;Bytram&gt; none here<br />
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<br />[23:09:25] <matt_> Resolved: Michael Casadevall is the President of SoylentNews PBC.
[23:09:06] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; no objections<br />
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<br />[23:09:29] <matt_> Resolved: Michael Casadevall is the Chief Executive Officer of SoylentNews PBC.  
[23:09:13] &lt;matt_&gt; Great! First up, Item 1: Review the minutes of the last meeting.<br />
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<br />[23:09:33] <matt_> Resolved: Ben Prentice is the Treasurer of SoylentNews PBC.  
[23:09:17] &lt;matt_&gt; At the last meeting, the Board adopted 7 resolutions:<br />
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<br />[23:09:41] <matt_> Resolved: Matt Angel is the Secretary of SoylentNews PBC.  
[23:09:22] &lt;matt_&gt; Resolved: The Certificate of Incorporation and Bylaws are hereby ratified in their current form.<br />
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<br />[23:09:45] <matt_> Resolved: The Board authorizes opening a business checking account at Bank of America in the name of the Corporation.  
[23:09:25] &lt;matt_&gt; Resolved: Michael Casadevall is the President of SoylentNews PBC.<br />
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<br />[23:09:50] <matt_> Resolved: The Board authorizes opening a PayPal account in the name of the Corporation.  
[23:09:29] &lt;matt_&gt; Resolved: Michael Casadevall is the Chief Executive Officer of SoylentNews PBC.<br />
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<br />[23:09:54] <matt_> Several other items were discussed, but no other votes were taken.  
[23:09:33] &lt;matt_&gt; Resolved: Ben Prentice is the Treasurer of SoylentNews PBC.<br />
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<br />[23:10:00] <matt_> The logs of the last meeting are available here: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[23:09:41] &lt;matt_&gt; Resolved: Matt Angel is the Secretary of SoylentNews PBC.<br />
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<br />[23:10:07] <matt_> Any comments or shall we move on to: Item 2: Updates on progress towards financial stability (bank and payment-processor accounts, subscriptions, swag)?  
[23:09:45] &lt;matt_&gt; Resolved: The Board authorizes opening a business checking account at Bank of America in the name of the Corporation.<br />
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[23:09:50] &lt;matt_&gt; Resolved: The Board authorizes opening a PayPal account in the name of the Corporation.<br />
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<br />[23:10:33] <xlefay> Are the non-voted on issues outlined specifically? Or just in the log itself?  
[23:09:54] &lt;matt_&gt; Several other items were discussed, but no other votes were taken.<br />
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<br />[23:10:43] <matt_> just in the log at the moment.  
[23:10:00] &lt;matt_&gt; The logs of the last meeting are available here: http://wiki.soylentnews.org<br />
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<br />[23:10:55] <NCommander> We probably need to define a standardized format of minutes  
[23:10:07] &lt;matt_&gt; Any comments or shall we move on to: Item 2: Updates on progress towards financial stability (bank and payment-processor accounts, subscriptions, swag)?<br />
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<br />[23:10:56] <xlefay> A suggestion: It may be wise, to make a table with a list of resolved items and unresolved/not-voted-on items after this meeting.  
[23:10:33] &lt;xlefay&gt; Are the non-voted on issues outlined specifically? Or just in the log itself?<br />
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<br />[23:10:56] <Bytram> I have one thing  
[23:10:43] &lt;matt_&gt; just in the log at the moment.<br />
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<br />[23:11:11] <xlefay> NCommander, said it better than I did. :)  
[23:10:55] &lt;NCommander&gt; We probably need to define a standardized format of minutes<br />
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<br />[23:11:12] <matt_> NCommander, i have a template for that :)  
[23:10:56] &lt;xlefay&gt; A suggestion: It may be wise, to make a table with a list of resolved items and unresolved/not-voted-on items after this meeting.<br />
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<br />[23:11:13] <Bytram> was there any consideration given to a bank *other* than Bank of America  
[23:10:56] &lt;Bytram&gt; I have one thing<br />
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<br />[23:11:27] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: yes  
[23:11:11] &lt;xlefay&gt; NCommander, said it better than I did. :)<br />
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<br />[23:11:30] <matt_> Bytram, a fair amount of consideration, yes.  
[23:11:12] &lt;matt_&gt; NCommander, i have a template for that :)<br />
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<br />[23:11:42] <Bytram> I personally have nothing against them, but wanted to ensure others were considered.  
[23:11:13] &lt;Bytram&gt; was there any consideration given to a bank *other* than Bank of America<br />
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<br />[23:11:49] <NCommander> there was quite a few reasons to go with BoA, and some against  
[23:11:27] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Bytram: yes<br />
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<br />[23:11:53] <Bytram> I'm good then, thanks!  
[23:11:30] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, a fair amount of consideration, yes.<br />
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<br />[23:11:59] <xlefay> Are those considerations also outlined somewhere? Or also in the logs?  
[23:11:42] &lt;Bytram&gt; I personally have nothing against them, but wanted to ensure others were considered.<br />
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<br />[23:12:01] <NCommander> BUt the pros outweighed the cons  
[23:11:49] &lt;NCommander&gt; there was quite a few reasons to go with BoA, and some against<br />
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<br />[23:12:20] <matt_> xlefay, a number of the considerations are in the logs, several came up in irl meetings.  
[23:11:53] &lt;Bytram&gt; I'm good then, thanks!<br />
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<br />[23:12:20] <NCommander> xlefay, I think the pro/con didnt make it into the log fully, that was mostly RL meetings we had last month  
[23:11:59] &lt;xlefay&gt; Are those considerations also outlined somewhere? Or also in the logs?<br />
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<br />[23:12:39] <Bytram> I did not see any discussion in the logs  
[23:12:01] &lt;NCommander&gt; BUt the pros outweighed the cons<br />
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<br />[23:12:52] <xlefay> I realizes, there's a lot of "documentational" work here, perhaps, we should standardize such templates as well, even though it can be somewhat of a pain to document those things - they might be useful for future references?  
[23:12:20] &lt;matt_&gt; xlefay, a number of the considerations are in the logs, several came up in irl meetings.<br />
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<br />[23:13:02] <NCommander> ^- that  
[23:12:20] &lt;NCommander&gt; xlefay, I think the pro/con didnt make it into the log fully, that was mostly RL meetings we had last month<br />
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<br />[23:13:05] <matt_> Bytram, i think the logged discussion related mainly to the availability of branches in different locations.  
[23:12:39] &lt;Bytram&gt; I did not see any discussion in the logs<br />
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<br />[23:13:07] <xlefay> (from this point forward)  
[23:12:52] &lt;xlefay&gt; I realizes, there's a lot of "documentational" work here, perhaps, we should standardize such templates as well, even though it can be somewhat of a pain to document those things - they might be useful for future references?<br />
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<br />[23:13:25] <mattie_p> hey folks, sorry I'm late  
[23:13:02] &lt;NCommander&gt; ^- that<br />
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<br />[23:13:30] <mrcoolbp> that's okay  
[23:13:05] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, i think the logged discussion related mainly to the availability of branches in different locations.<br />
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<br />[23:13:38] <mrcoolbp> wb  
[23:13:07] &lt;xlefay&gt; (from this point forward)<br />
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<br />[23:13:43] <mattie_p> thanks  
[23:13:25] &lt;mattie_p&gt; hey folks, sorry I'm late<br />
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<br />[23:13:59] <Bytram> in light of the foregoing, I propose an agenda item for discussing a standard "format" for board meetings  
[23:13:30] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; that's okay<br />
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<br />[23:14:56] <matt_> added to Item 4.  
[23:13:38] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; wb<br />
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<br />[23:15:05] <matt_> Ok, getting back to the agenda:  
[23:13:43] &lt;mattie_p&gt; thanks<br />
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<br />[23:15:07] <xlefay> In addition a question, how much time has been allocated to this meeting? Has there been a predefined length or?  
[23:13:59] &lt;Bytram&gt; in light of the foregoing, I propose an agenda item for discussing a standard "format" for board meetings<br />
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<br />[23:15:13] <Bytram> matt_: thank-you.  
[23:14:56] &lt;matt_&gt; added to Item 4.<br />
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<br />[23:15:21] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: we did not alot a timeslot  
[23:15:05] &lt;matt_&gt; Ok, getting back to the agenda:<br />
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<br />[23:15:31] <matt_> xlefay, we were very self-disciplined last time, and kept it to 2 hours, despite having a lot to go over.  
[23:15:07] &lt;xlefay&gt; In addition a question, how much time has been allocated to this meeting? Has there been a predefined length or?<br />
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<br />[23:15:44] <matt_> xlefay, i think that sounds like a reasonable maximum.  
[23:15:13] &lt;Bytram&gt; matt_: thank-you.<br />
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<br />[23:15:59] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, thanks. In the future, we should also keep that in mind. So everyone can schedule accordingly.  
[23:15:21] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; xlefay: we did not alot a timeslot<br />
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<br />[23:16:10] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: noted, thank you.  
[23:15:31] &lt;matt_&gt; xlefay, we were very self-disciplined last time, and kept it to 2 hours, despite having a lot to go over.<br />
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<br />[23:16:12] <xlefay> I agree, anyway, please do go on. Don't want to hold things up.  
[23:15:44] &lt;matt_&gt; xlefay, i think that sounds like a reasonable maximum.<br />
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<br />[23:16:21] <matt_> Ok, back to Item 2: Updates on progress towards financial stability (bank and payment-processor accounts, subscriptions, swag).  
[23:15:59] &lt;xlefay&gt; mrcoolbp, thanks. In the future, we should also keep that in mind. So everyone can schedule accordingly.<br />
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<br />[23:16:26] <Bytram> IIRC, our very *first* staff meetiong also lasted approximately two hours.  
[23:16:10] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; xlefay: noted, thank you.<br />
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<br />[23:16:31] <matt_> Since the last meeting, we opened a business checking account at Bank of America and a paypal account, and set them up to receive payments.  
[23:16:12] &lt;xlefay&gt; I agree, anyway, please do go on. Don't want to hold things up.<br />
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<br />[23:16:37] <matt_> mrcoolbp and I have debit cards, which we can use to pay for hosting, etc., as soon as funds are available.  
[23:16:21] &lt;matt_&gt; Ok, back to Item 2: Updates on progress towards financial stability (bank and payment-processor accounts, subscriptions, swag).<br />
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<br />[23:17:04] <NCommander> I've gone through ALL the old receipts and compiled an initial set of books when I fired off to mrcoolbp  
[23:16:26] &lt;Bytram&gt; IIRC, our very *first* staff meetiong also lasted approximately two hours.<br />
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<br />[23:17:19] <mrcoolbp> I can confirm all of that  
[23:16:31] &lt;matt_&gt; Since the last meeting, we opened a business checking account at Bank of America and a paypal account, and set them up to receive payments.<br />
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<br />[23:17:22] <NCommander> so we know roughly how deep the hole is, and who owns which parts of it  
[23:16:37] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp and I have debit cards, which we can use to pay for hosting, etc., as soon as funds are available.<br />
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[23:17:04] &lt;NCommander&gt; I've gone through ALL the old receipts and compiled an initial set of books when I fired off to mrcoolbp<br />
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[23:17:19] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; I can confirm all of that<br />
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[23:17:22] &lt;NCommander&gt; so we know roughly how deep the hole is, and who owns which parts of it<br />
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<br />[23:18:09] <xlefay> .voice matt_
[23:18:09] &lt;xlefay&gt; .voice matt_<br />
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<br />[23:18:09] -!- mode/#staff [+v matt_] by juggler
[23:18:25] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; ?<br />
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<br />[23:18:25] <mrcoolbp> ?  
[23:18:32] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; .voice matt_<br />
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<br />[23:18:32] <mrcoolbp> .voice matt_
[23:18:38] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; .voice matt_<br />
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<br />[23:18:32] -!- mode/#staff [+v matt_] by juggler
[23:18:43] &lt;xlefay&gt; .voice matt__<br />
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<br />[23:18:38] <mrcoolbp> .voice matt_
[23:18:45] &lt;matt__&gt; thanks<br />
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<br />[23:18:38] -!- mode/#staff [+v matt_] by juggler
[23:18:48] &lt;matt__&gt; Comments? Otherwise we can move on to: subscriptions: NCommander, were you and paulej72 able to make any headway on the backend?<br />
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<br />[23:18:43] <xlefay> .voice matt__
[23:19:03] &lt;Bytram&gt; mrcoolbp: do you have a rough summary of where we stand financially?<br />
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<br />[23:18:43] -!- mode/#staff [+v matt__] by juggler
[23:19:08] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; yes<br />
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<br />[23:18:45] <matt__> thanks
[23:19:14] &lt;NCommander&gt; .op<br />
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<br />[23:18:48] <matt__> Comments? Otherwise we can move on to: subscriptions: NCommander, were you and paulej72 able to make any headway on the backend?
[23:19:21] &lt;NCommander&gt; to hell with that<br />
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<br />[23:19:03] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: do you have a rough summary of where we stand financially?
[23:19:28] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; NCommander: I'll let you take those two questions<br />
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<br />[23:19:08] <mrcoolbp> yes
[23:19:30] &lt;paulej72&gt; I was busy with the irc migration and did not work on that<br />
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<br />[23:19:14] <NCommander> .op
[23:20:00] &lt;NCommander&gt; Real life kinda derailed for me, miniminal progress<br />
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<br />[23:19:14] -!- mode/#staff [+o NCommander] by juggler
[23:20:17] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; okay so no progress on the Subscription Code<br />
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<br />[23:19:15] -!- mode/#staff [-m #staff] by NCommander  
[23:20:23] &lt;NCommander&gt; Sorry :-/<br />
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<br />[23:19:21] <NCommander> to hell with that
[23:20:25] &lt;matt__&gt; ok, is that still a top priority?<br />
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<br />[23:19:28] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I'll let you take those two questions
[23:20:27] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Ncommander: summary of financials?<br />
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<br />[23:19:30] <paulej72> I was busy with the irc migration and did not work on that  
[23:20:36] &lt;NCommander&gt; Give me a sec, let me fire up gnucash<br />
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<br />[23:20:00] <NCommander> Real life kinda derailed for me, miniminal progress
[23:21:03] &lt;NCommander&gt; ... still firing up gnucash<br />
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<br />[23:20:17] <mrcoolbp> okay so no progress on the Subscription Code
[23:21:18] &lt;NCommander&gt; So, as of today<br />
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<br />[23:20:23] <NCommander> Sorry :-/
[23:21:38] &lt;NCommander&gt; We're $3,217.58 USD in the hole.<br />
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<br />[23:20:25] <matt__> ok, is that still a top priority?
[23:21:46] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; that's what I have as well<br />
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<br />[23:20:27] <mrcoolbp> Ncommander: summary of financials?
[23:21:53] &lt;matt__&gt; that sounds about right.<br />
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<br />[23:20:36] <NCommander> Give me a sec, let me fire up gnucash
[23:22:25] &lt;NCommander&gt; Dividing on money in v. money out, most of that is owed to Matt, at a toal value of $2,484, and $833 to me.<br />
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[23:22:31] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; NCommander: are subscriptions a top business priority right now?<br />
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<br />[23:21:03] <NCommander> ... still firing up gnucash
[23:22:45] &lt;NCommander&gt; I believe so, they are, as they say, low hanging fruit<br />
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<br />[23:21:18] <NCommander> So, as of today
[23:22:52] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; great<br />
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<br />[23:21:38] <NCommander> We're $3,217.58 USD in the hole.  
[23:23:05] &lt;matt_&gt; Ok, next is swag: mrcoolbp, how goes it?<br />
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<br />[23:21:46] <mrcoolbp> that's what I have as well
[23:23:09] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; okay<br />
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<br />[23:21:53] <matt__> that sounds about right.
[23:23:23] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; So we have a mock-up of the store setup<br />
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[23:23:34] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; techincally things can be purchased right now<br />
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<br />[23:22:25] <NCommander> Dividing on money in v. money out, most of that is owed to Matt, at a toal value of $2,484, and $833 to me.
[23:23:49] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; But there was a small hangup on the Tagline "...is people"<br />
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<br />[23:22:31] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: are subscriptions a top business priority right now?
[23:23:59] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, do you want to add additional designs/items before going live?<br />
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<br />[23:22:45] <NCommander> I believe so, they are, as they say, low hanging fruit
[23:23:59] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; I wanted to resolve that here before we move forward<br />
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<br />[23:22:52] <mrcoolbp> great
[23:24:07] &lt;matt_&gt; ok, good point.<br />
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<br />[23:23:05] <matt_> Ok, next is swag: mrcoolbp, how goes it?
[23:24:14] &lt;xlefay&gt; Could we get a preview/screenshot of said mock-up? So we can visualize it?<br />
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<br />[23:23:09] <mrcoolbp> okay
[23:24:22] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; xlefay: sec<br />
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<br />[23:23:23] <mrcoolbp> So we have a mock-up of the store setup
[23:24:27] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_: at the very least I'd like to spend a few hours on setting it up proper<br />
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<br />[23:23:34] <mrcoolbp> techincally things can be purchased right now
[23:24:37] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; especially after we resolve the tagline issue<br />
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<br />[23:23:49] <mrcoolbp> But there was a small hangup on the Tagline "...is people"
[23:24:47] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; (I think that's it for my update)<br />
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<br />[23:23:59] <matt_> mrcoolbp, do you want to add additional designs/items before going live?
[23:25:04] &lt;xlefay&gt; And what kind of "swag" are we selling? Like, t-shirts, hats, usb sticks?<br />
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<br />[23:23:59] <mrcoolbp> I wanted to resolve that here before we move forward
[23:25:11] &lt;Bytram&gt; Given the pent-up demand, I would prefer a couple extra day's time to get it solid before opening us up for potential troubles<br />
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<br />[23:24:07] <matt_> ok, good point.
[23:25:12] &lt;xlefay&gt; planning on selling*<br />
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<br />[23:24:14] <xlefay> Could we get a preview/screenshot of said mock-up? So we can visualize it?
[23:25:20] &lt;paulej72&gt; also I suggested we needed to add the url to the design as well<br />
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<br />[23:24:22] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: sec
[23:25:25] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; ^^^<br />
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<br />[23:24:27] <mrcoolbp> matt_: at the very least I'd like to spend a few hours on setting it up proper
[23:25:36] &lt;matt_&gt; so, my opinion of the tagline issue is: 1. it seems very unlikely that anyone will complain, 2. if we do get a letter or communication from someone who is unhappy with us using the tagline, we can probably work something out with them, and 3. since we aren't warehousing huge amounts of merchandise, it wouldn't be too difficult to change it later.<br />
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<br />[23:24:37] <mrcoolbp> especially after we resolve the tagline issue
[23:25:39] &lt;xlefay&gt; Perhaps, a QR code or something similar would also be benefitial considering most people have a smart phone?<br />
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<br />[23:24:47] <mrcoolbp> (I think that's it for my update)
[23:26:27] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Screenshot of the 1st draft of the store: http://imgur.com<br />
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<br />[23:24:55] * mrcoolbp goes to get the screenshot
[23:26:44] &lt;xlefay&gt; Where's the bacon++?! (hah)<br />
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<br />[23:25:04] <xlefay> And what kind of "swag" are we selling? Like, t-shirts, hats, usb sticks?  
[23:26:53] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; !todo bacon++ items<br />
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<br />[23:25:11] <Bytram> Given the pent-up demand, I would prefer a couple extra day's time to get it solid before opening us up for potential troubles
[23:26:53] &lt;Bender&gt; todo item 22 added<br />
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<br />[23:25:12] <xlefay> planning on selling*
[23:27:01] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, what are your thoughts on the tagline issue?<br />
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<br />[23:25:20] <paulej72> also I suggested we needed to add the url to the design as well
[23:27:06] &lt;NCommander&gt; so we proceed w/ the tagline?<br />
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<br />[23:25:25] <mrcoolbp> ^^^
[23:27:09] &lt;NCommander&gt; as is?<br />
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<br />[23:25:36] <matt_> so, my opinion of the tagline issue is: 1. it seems very unlikely that anyone will complain, 2. if we do get a letter or communication from someone who is unhappy with us using the tagline, we can probably work something out with them, and 3. since we aren't warehousing huge amounts of merchandise, it wouldn't be too difficult to change it later.  
[23:27:21] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ I'm not well versed on the issue, I'll defer to your understanding of it<br />
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<br />[23:25:39] <xlefay> Perhaps, a QR code or something similar would also be benefitial considering most people have a smart phone?
[23:27:25] &lt;xlefay&gt; I think that looks amazing. Are there also plans on selling USB-sticks with SoylentNews stamped logo's? As for the tagline, SoylentNews .. is people!<br />
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<br />[23:26:27] <mrcoolbp> Screenshot of the 1st draft of the store: http://imgur.com
[23:27:26] &lt;Bytram&gt; Is this the proper time/place to discuss the *particulars* of the SWAG items? I'd suggest wse just recognize the need for the discussion, and if need be, have someone volunteer to lead the discussion and report back.<br />
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[23:27:40] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; xlefay: I have it noted, I just haven't gotten there<br />
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<br />[23:26:44] <xlefay> Where's the bacon++?! (hah)
[23:27:59] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Bytram: the tagline issue yes<br />
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<br />[23:26:53] <mrcoolbp> !todo bacon++ items
[23:28:06] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; which items we are offering no<br />
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<br />[23:26:53] <Bender> todo item 22 added
[23:28:24] &lt;xlefay&gt; Bytram, I concur. That would seem like the most logical course of action, to set up a task force for it, and have the taskforce deal with the selection of items in the store.<br />
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<br />[23:27:01] <matt_> mrcoolbp, what are your thoughts on the tagline issue?
[23:28:29] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, the board just needs to make sure that we don't decide on something that places the corporation at unnecessary legal risk.<br />
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<br />[23:27:06] <NCommander> so we proceed w/ the tagline?
[23:28:29] &lt;Bytram&gt; I fully agree. thanks. What is the potential issue with the tag line?<br />
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<br />[23:27:09] <NCommander> as is?
[23:28:42] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_, NCommander: I will get to fleshing out the store ASAP, it will be on the top of my todo<br />
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<br />[23:27:21] <mrcoolbp> matt_ I'm not well versed on the issue, I'll defer to your understanding of it
[23:28:47] &lt;mattie_p&gt; Bytram: probably copyright or trademark infringement from the movie<br />
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<br />[23:27:25] <xlefay> I think that looks amazing. Are there also plans on selling USB-sticks with SoylentNews stamped logo's? As for the tagline, SoylentNews .. is people!
[23:28:54] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, sounds good!<br />
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<br />[23:27:26] <Bytram> Is this the proper time/place to discuss the *particulars* of the SWAG items? I'd suggest wse just recognize the need for the discussion, and if need be, have someone volunteer to lead the discussion and report back.
[23:29:05] &lt;matt_&gt; Next, Item 3: Discuss remaining issues related to setting up the corporation (amending the bylaws to allow meetings on IRC, stock proposal, etc.).<br />
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<br />[23:27:40] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: I have it noted, I just haven't gotten there
[23:29:06] &lt;NCommander&gt; mattie_p, that was my concern<br />
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<br />[23:27:59] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: the tagline issue yes
[23:29:17] &lt;matt_&gt; unless there are any remaining swag issues...<br />
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<br />[23:28:06] <mrcoolbp> which items we are offering no
[23:29:22] &lt;Bytram&gt; yes<br />
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<br />[23:28:24] <xlefay> Bytram, I concur. That would seem like the most logical course of action, to set up a task force for it, and have the taskforce deal with the selection of items in the store.
[23:29:41] &lt;Bytram&gt; are we self-hosting the swag store; shipping, billing and all that?<br />
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<br />[23:28:29] <matt_> Bytram, the board just needs to make sure that we don't decide on something that places the corporation at unnecessary legal risk.
[23:29:41] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; = /<br />
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<br />[23:28:29] <Bytram> I fully agree. thanks. What is the potential issue with the tag line?
[23:30:03] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Bytram: negative, we went with a 3rd party solution due to resource constraints<br />
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<br />[23:28:42] <mrcoolbp> matt_, NCommander: I will get to fleshing out the store ASAP, it will be on the top of my todo
[23:30:03] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, the swag store is on CafePress.<br />
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<br />[23:28:47] <mattie_p> Bytram: probably copyright or trademark infringement from the movie
[23:30:21] &lt;Bytram&gt; do they get a cut of the sales, and if so, how much?<br />
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<br />[23:28:54] <matt_> mrcoolbp, sounds good!
[23:30:27] &lt;xlefay&gt; Bytram, matt_, perhaps, a task force for dealing with those items would be the best? Then, that taskforce can make recommendations to the staff and/or board?<br />
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<br />[23:29:05] <matt_> Next, Item 3: Discuss remaining issues related to setting up the corporation (amending the bylaws to allow meetings on IRC, stock proposal, etc.).
[23:30:29] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Bytram: self-hosting and shipping ourselves would take a huge amount of work<br />
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<br />[23:29:06] <NCommander> mattie_p, that was my concern
[23:30:37] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, oh, that's a really good point. We need to decide on the markup.<br />
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<br />[23:29:17] <matt_> unless there are any remaining swag issues...  
[23:30:49] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Bytram: of course they do, they set a base price and we set markup<br />
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<br />[23:29:22] <Bytram> yes
[23:30:50] &lt;xlefay&gt; Regarding, whether we oursource things, what items are in the store, etc.<br />
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<br />[23:29:41] <Bytram> are we self-hosting the swag store; shipping, billing and all that?
[23:31:03] &lt;Bytram&gt; mrcoolbp: I *fully* agree on self-hosting being work-intensive.<br />
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<br />[23:29:41] <mrcoolbp> = /
[23:31:06] &lt;matt_&gt; xlefay, that is a good idea too. my understanding is that mrcoolbp is currently leading that task force.<br />
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<br />[23:30:03] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: negative, we went with a 3rd party solution due to resource constraints
[23:31:17] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; xlefay: I would love a taskforce on the specifics, I can make the rest happen<br />
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<br />[23:30:03] <matt_> Bytram, the swag store is on CafePress.  
[23:31:28] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; any volunteers?<br />
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<br />[23:30:21] <Bytram> do they get a cut of the sales, and if so, how much?
[23:31:37] &lt;xlefay&gt; matt_, I see. Than I suggest, we wait till mrcoolbp and his team (which he'll assemble) make a recommendation.<br />
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<br />[23:30:27] <xlefay> Bytram, matt_, perhaps, a task force for dealing with those items would be the best? Then, that taskforce can make recommendations to the staff and/or board?  
[23:31:48] &lt;xlefay&gt; mrcoolbp, count me in. I would be delighted to help out!<br />
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<br />[23:30:29] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: self-hosting and shipping ourselves would take a huge amount of work
[23:32:10] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; xlefay: I'll send you an email, and send one out to staff soliciting other volunteers<br />
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<br />[23:30:37] <matt_> Bytram, oh, that's a really good point. We need to decide on the markup.
[23:32:14] &lt;matt_&gt; xlefay, that sounds good to me. shall we aim for about a week from today? does that sound reasonable?<br />
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<br />[23:30:49] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: of course they do, they set a base price and we set markup
[23:32:26] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; okay, any other swag issues? NCommander: are we okay with going WITH the tagline for now?<br />
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<br />[23:30:50] <xlefay> Regarding, whether we oursource things, what items are in the store, etc.
[23:32:45] &lt;xlefay&gt; matt_, I believe that question is supposed to be targeted to mrcoolbp, since it's his taskforce :-)<br />
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<br />[23:31:03] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: I *fully* agree on self-hosting being work-intensive.  
[23:32:50] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ we can have a store ready-to-go in 7 days, yes<br />
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<br />[23:31:06] <matt_> xlefay, that is a good idea too. my understanding is that mrcoolbp is currently leading that task force.
[23:32:51] &lt;Bytram&gt; I have a question on how the task force will report back... e-mail to staff@soylentnews.org? Post it on the wiki? How?<br />
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<br />[23:31:17] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: I would love a taskforce on the specifics, I can make the rest happen
[23:33:02] &lt;NCommander&gt; Ulitmately, I'm worried about us getting sued out of existence for it since we'd be directly profitting<br />
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<br />[23:31:28] <mrcoolbp> any volunteers?
[23:33:12] &lt;NCommander&gt; On the other hand, Soylent (food product) exists and hasn't been sued so ...<br />
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<br />[23:31:37] <xlefay> matt_, I see. Than I suggest, we wait till mrcoolbp and his team (which he'll assemble) make a recommendation.
[23:33:12] &lt;mattie_p&gt; re Tagline: I'm searching the USPTO and there are two live trademarks on soylent, one for the food and one by WB<br />
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<br />[23:31:48] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, count me in. I would be delighted to help out!
[23:33:21] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Bytram: I'll make the final decisions availalble on the staff list<br />
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<br />[23:32:10] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: I'll send you an email, and send one out to staff soliciting other volunteers
[23:33:35] &lt;xlefay&gt; Bytram / mrcoolbp , I suggest, we make one or multiple wiki pages, in which we'll disclose our findings and our recommendations. And then send that link to the staff.<br />
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<br />[23:32:14] <matt_> xlefay, that sounds good to me. shall we aim for about a week from today? does that sound reasonable?
[23:33:39] &lt;Bytram&gt; mrcoolbp: that's great! thank you very much!<br />
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<br />[23:32:26] <mrcoolbp> okay, any other swag issues? NCommander: are we okay with going WITH the tagline for now?  
[23:33:52] &lt;NCommander&gt; so, assuming we accept this as acceptable risk<br />
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<br />[23:32:45] <xlefay> matt_, I believe that question is supposed to be targeted to mrcoolbp, since it's his taskforce :-)
[23:33:56] &lt;NCommander&gt; I don't have an issue with it<br />
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<br />[23:32:50] <mrcoolbp> matt_ we can have a store ready-to-go in 7 days, yes
[23:34:10] &lt;matt_&gt; ok. ready to move on?<br />
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<br />[23:32:51] <Bytram> I have a question on how the task force will report back... e-mail to staff@soylentnews.org? Post it on the wiki? How?  
[23:34:17] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; I am<br />
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<br />[23:33:02] <NCommander> Ulitmately, I'm worried about us getting sued out of existence for it since we'd be directly profitting
[23:34:17] &lt;xlefay&gt; mrcoolbp, that'll allow us to, also be open regarding our process and the particular details. Thoughts?<br />
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<br />[23:33:12] <NCommander> On the other hand, Soylent (food product) exists and hasn't been sued so ...  
[23:34:21] &lt;Bytram&gt; was there a vote here?<br />
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<br />[23:33:12] <mattie_p> re Tagline: I'm searching the USPTO and there are two live trademarks on soylent, one for the food and one by WB
[23:34:28] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; xlefay: great, let's discuss that later<br />
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<br />[23:33:21] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: I'll make the final decisions availalble on the staff list
[23:34:37] &lt;xlefay&gt; mrcoolbp, agreed. :)<br />
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<br />[23:33:35] <xlefay> Bytram / mrcoolbp , I suggest, we make one or multiple wiki pages, in which we'll disclose our findings and our recommendations. And then send that link to the staff.
[23:34:39] &lt;NCommander&gt; Bytram, vote on what?<br />
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<br />[23:33:39] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: that's great! thank you very much!
[23:34:39] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; = )<br />
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<br />[23:33:52] <NCommander> so, assuming we accept this as acceptable risk
[23:34:46] &lt;xlefay&gt; moving on then ;-)<br />
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<br />[23:33:56] <NCommander> I don't have an issue with it
[23:34:57] &lt;matt_&gt; <+matt_> Next, Item 3: Discuss remaining issues related to setting up the corporation (amending the bylaws to allow meetings on IRC, stock proposal, etc.).<br />
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<br />[23:34:10] <matt_> ok. ready to move on?
[23:35:04] &lt;matt_&gt; First, amending our Bylaws to allow meetings on IRC. (For those not here for the last meeting, our Bylaws may or may not allow meetings on IRC, but the Board can still take "action without a meeting" as long as it is unanimous and in writing.)<br />
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<br />[23:34:17] <mrcoolbp> I am
[23:35:05] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; (matt_ Bytram is wondering if that issue required a vote)<br />
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<br />[23:34:17] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, that'll allow us to, also be open regarding our process and the particular details. Thoughts?
[23:35:16] &lt;Bytram&gt; we have agenda items, and it would be good to note whenever we finish an item, what the conclusion/result was<br />
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<br />[23:34:21] <Bytram> was there a vote here?
[23:35:35] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, oh. Bytram, to be safe the board should authorize the opening of the store, when it is ready.<br />
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<br />[23:34:28] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: great, let's discuss that later
[23:35:45] &lt;Bytram&gt; EXACTLY!<br />
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<br />[23:34:37] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, agreed. :)
[23:35:56] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ that works for me (Bytram we aren't "ready" yet)<br />
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<br />[23:34:39] <NCommander> Bytram, vote on what?
[23:35:57] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, yes. so far, we have just been noting when we finish agenda items that require a vote.<br />
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<br />[23:34:39] <mrcoolbp> = )
[23:36:34] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, one of the benefits of a 3-person board is that we don't have to worry too much about sticking to the details of parlimentary procedure :)<br />
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<br />[23:34:46] <xlefay> moving on then ;-)
[23:36:38] &lt;Bytram&gt; matt_: I have been at too many meetings where there has been lots of disussion<br />
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<br />[23:34:57] <matt_> <+matt_> Next, Item 3: Discuss remaining issues related to setting up the corporation (amending the bylaws to allow meetings on IRC, stock proposal, etc.).
[23:36:43] &lt;xlefay&gt; matt_, regarding item #3, I think allowing meetings on IRC is fine, but I do believe we should have a format for doing so. It can get quite complicated, multiple conversations running at once, etc. So we'll need to prevent that.<br />
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<br />[23:35:04] <matt_> First, amending our Bylaws to allow meetings on IRC. (For those not here for the last meeting, our Bylaws may or may not allow meetings on IRC, but the Board can still take "action without a meeting" as long as it is unanimous and in writing.)
[23:36:59] &lt;Bytram&gt; and when the meeting was over, it was unclear who was doing what by when<br />
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<br />[23:35:05] <mrcoolbp> (matt_ Bytram is wondering if that issue required a vote)
[23:37:05] &lt;xlefay&gt; (e.g. focussing on one thing at a time)<br />
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<br />[23:35:16] <Bytram> we have agenda items, and it would be good to note whenever we finish an item, what the conclusion/result was  
[23:37:18] &lt;matt_&gt; xlefay, yes. however we decide to do it, i strongly suggest that we confirm any decisions made at a meeting immediately after the meeting via email.<br />
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<br />[23:35:35] <matt_> mrcoolbp, oh. Bytram, to be safe the board should authorize the opening of the store, when it is ready.  
[23:37:28] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; ^^<br />
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<br />[23:35:45] <Bytram> EXACTLY!
[23:37:34] &lt;NCommander&gt; xlefay, we need to fix the bylaws to formally allow it, kinda an oversight >.<;<br />
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<br />[23:35:56] <mrcoolbp> matt_ that works for me (Bytram we aren't "ready" yet)
[23:37:54] &lt;matt_&gt; so i was hoping that we could vote on that amendment at this meeting.<br />
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<br />[23:35:57] <matt_> Bytram, yes. so far, we have just been noting when we finish agenda items that require a vote.  
[23:38:00] &lt;matt_&gt; Shall we take a vote on amending the Bylaws to allow meetings on IRC?<br />
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<br />[23:36:34] <matt_> Bytram, one of the benefits of a 3-person board is that we don't have to worry too much about sticking to the details of parlimentary procedure :)
[23:38:03] &lt;xlefay&gt; NCommander, I understand. I'm just suggesting we discuss what kind of format before we do so.<br />
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<br />[23:36:38] <Bytram> matt_: I have been at too many meetings where there has been lots of disussion
[23:38:26] &lt;xlefay&gt; Otherwise, we'll allow it, but there's no proper format to do so, and things can get messy down the road, which isn't what we want.<br />
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<br />[23:36:43] <xlefay> matt_, regarding item #3, I think allowing meetings on IRC is fine, but I do believe we should have a format for doing so. It can get quite complicated, multiple conversations running at once, etc. So we'll need to prevent that.  
[23:38:55] &lt;NCommander&gt; point taken<br />
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<br />[23:36:59] <Bytram> and when the meeting was over, it was unclear who was doing what by when
[23:39:22] &lt;matt_&gt; Any objections to voting on the issue of whether to allow board meetings on irc?<br />
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<br />[23:37:05] <xlefay> (e.g. focussing on one thing at a time)
[23:39:24] &lt;Bytram&gt; these are the corporate bylaws that I reviewed a few weeks ago?<br />
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<br />[23:37:18] <matt_> xlefay, yes. however we decide to do it, i strongly suggest that we confirm any decisions made at a meeting immediately after the meeting via email.
[23:39:30] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, correct.<br />
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<br />[23:37:28] <mrcoolbp> ^^
[23:39:38] &lt;Bytram&gt; okay, thanks.<br />
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<br />[23:37:34] <NCommander> xlefay, we need to fix the bylaws to formally allow it, kinda an oversight >.<;
[23:39:47] &lt;xlefay&gt; Just out of curiosity. This is already a board meeting, and yet, it isn't formally allowed by, the bylaws? That seems rather odd, lol<br />
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<br />[23:37:54] <matt_> so i was hoping that we could vote on that amendment at this meeting.
[23:40:00] &lt;matt_&gt; exactly why i suggest we vote to fix that =)<br />
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<br />[23:38:00] <matt_> Shall we take a vote on amending the Bylaws to allow meetings on IRC?  
[23:40:07] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ no objections, can we add discussion of meeting format as another topic?<br />
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<br />[23:38:03] <xlefay> NCommander, I understand. I'm just suggesting we discuss what kind of format before we do so.  
[23:40:17] &lt;xlefay&gt; matt_, the only objection I have is, that we first define a format to have such meetings, when we have that, I see no objection, not from me at least.<br />
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<br />[23:38:26] <xlefay> Otherwise, we'll allow it, but there's no proper format to do so, and things can get messy down the road, which isn't what we want.
[23:40:31] &lt;matt_&gt; xlefay, our bylaws allow "action without a meeting", by unanimous written consent of the board.<br />
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<br />[23:38:55] <NCommander> point taken
[23:40:36] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; ^^^<br />
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<br />[23:39:22] <matt_> Any objections to voting on the issue of whether to allow board meetings on irc?
[23:40:36] &lt;xlefay&gt; Then again, I'm not even sure if I'm on the board as it stands so.... rather confused about that ;)<br />
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<br />[23:39:24] <Bytram> these are the corporate bylaws that I reviewed a few weeks ago?
[23:40:45] &lt;xlefay&gt; I see, that's cool.<br />
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<br />[23:39:30] <matt_> Bytram, correct.  
[23:40:49] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; xlefay: you are not currently on the board<br />
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<br />[23:39:38] <Bytram> okay, thanks.
[23:40:54] &lt;Bytram&gt; so there are two questions here... (1) whether or not to allow board meetings on IRC, (2) what changes are required in the bylaws to support said change<br />
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<br />[23:39:47] <xlefay> Just out of curiosity. This is already a board meeting, and yet, it isn't formally allowed by, the bylaws? That seems rather odd, lol
[23:40:55] &lt;xlefay&gt; ah I see<br />
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<br />[23:40:00] <matt_> exactly why i suggest we vote to fix that =)
[23:41:03] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, added to Item 4.<br />
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<br />[23:40:07] <mrcoolbp> matt_ no objections, can we add discussion of meeting format as another topic?
[23:41:05] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; thanhks<br />
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<br />[23:40:17] <xlefay> matt_, the only objection I have is, that we first define a format to have such meetings, when we have that, I see no objection, not from me at least.
[23:41:42] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Bytram: that would be the change<br />
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<br />[23:40:31] <matt_> xlefay, our bylaws allow "action without a meeting", by unanimous written consent of the board.
[23:41:55] &lt;matt_&gt; ok, so i have prepared a question for the vote. if we are ready to vote, i can pose the question :)<br />
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<br />[23:40:36] <mrcoolbp> ^^^
[23:42:01] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; NComander: shall we vote on item #3?<br />
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<br />[23:40:36] <xlefay> Then again, I'm not even sure if I'm on the board as it stands so.... rather confused about that ;)  
[23:42:19] &lt;NCommander&gt; lets have the question specifically written up then vote<br />
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<br />[23:40:45] <xlefay> I see, that's cool.
[23:42:28] &lt;xlefay&gt; (just one question, as this is a board meeting, or at least, sort-of, does staff opinion/vote weigh in or?)<br />
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<br />[23:40:49] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: you are not currently on the board
[23:42:41] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; xlefay: that's why you are here<br />
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<br />[23:40:54] <Bytram> so there are two questions here... (1) whether or not to allow board meetings on IRC, (2) what changes are required in the bylaws to support said change
[23:43:09] &lt;matt_&gt; NCommander, i have a question written up, which I can present if you are ready to vote on it. Of course, you can vote "No" if you don't like the wording...<br />
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<br />[23:40:55] <xlefay> ah I see
[23:43:13] &lt;xlefay&gt; mrcoolbp, cool, just making sure. The "board meeting" subject in the e-mail implied it was for the board, but since I'm not on said board, I got a tiny bit confused.<br />
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<br />[23:41:03] <matt_> mrcoolbp, added to Item 4.
[23:43:14] &lt;mattie_p&gt; Query: If the board isn't sure it can have meetings on IRC: will a vote taken in an IRC meeting be valid?<br />
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<br />[23:41:05] <mrcoolbp> thanhks
[23:43:16] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; you don't get to vote (unless you are on the board) but we are hearing opinions for sure<br />
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<br />[23:41:42] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: that  would  be the change
[23:43:19] &lt;Bytram&gt; from my reading of the bylaws, the community is invited to attend and to voice their views so that the board can make an informed decision.<br />
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<br />[23:41:55] <matt_> ok, so i have prepared a question for the vote. if we are ready to vote, i can pose the question :)
[23:43:32] &lt;matt_&gt; xlefay, staff opinion certainly weighs in, but only the current Directors may vote by law.<br />
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<br />[23:42:01] <mrcoolbp> NComander: shall we vote on item #3?
[23:43:39] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; mattie_p "action without a meeting"<br />
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<br />[23:42:19] <NCommander> lets have the question specifically written up then vote
[23:43:51] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; mattie_p technically this "isn't a board meeting"<br />
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<br />[23:42:28] <xlefay> (just one question, as this is a board meeting, or at least, sort-of, does staff opinion/vote weigh in or?)
[23:43:56] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; as I understand it<br />
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<br />[23:42:41] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: that's why you are here
[23:44:10] &lt;matt_&gt; mattie_p, from the logs of our last meeting:<br />
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<br />[23:43:09] <matt_> NCommander, i have a question written up, which I can present if you are ready to vote on it. Of course, you can vote "No" if you don't like the wording...
[23:44:11] &lt;matt_&gt; First: Our simple bylaws do not specifically allow board meetings over irc :( and we had less than the required 2 business days notice of this meeting :( but that's ok because we can take action without a meeting according to Article III, Section 11: "Action without a Meeting" :)<br />
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<br />[23:43:13] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, cool, just making sure. The "board meeting" subject in the e-mail implied it was for the board, but since I'm not on said board, I got a tiny bit confused.  
[23:44:17] &lt;matt_&gt; This works as long as "all members of the Board of Directors [...] consent thereto in writing or by electronic transmission, and such writings or electronic transmissions are filed with the records of the meetings of the Board of Directors", because "Such consent shall be treated as a valid and proper vote of the Board of Directors or committee thereof for all purposes".<br />
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<br />[23:43:14] <mattie_p> Query: If the board isn't sure it can have meetings on IRC: will a vote taken in an IRC meeting be valid?
[23:44:21] &lt;matt_&gt; So, long-story short, any decisions that we make here need to be unanimous to be binding. We can change this by voting to amend the bylaws during this meeting, if you want, or we can leave that for later.<br />
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<br />[23:43:16] <mrcoolbp> you don't get to vote (unless you are on the board) but we are hearing opinions for sure
[23:44:39] &lt;mattie_p&gt; mrcoolbp, matt_ thanks for the clarification<br />
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<br />[23:43:19] <Bytram> from my reading of the bylaws, the community is invited to attend and to voice their views so that the board can make an informed decision.
[23:44:46] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; np<br />
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<br />[23:43:32] <matt_> xlefay, staff opinion certainly weighs in, but only the current Directors may vote by law.
[23:44:58] &lt;Bytram&gt; thanks for the clarification<br />
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<br />[23:43:39] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p "action without a meeting"
[23:45:10] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; okay: move to vote on #3<br />
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<br />[23:43:51] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p technically this "isn't a board meeting"
[23:45:12] &lt;xlefay&gt; matt_, thanks for the full explanation & clarification. It's much appreciated. Anyway, I suggest we just move to the vote.<br />
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<br />[23:43:56] <mrcoolbp> as I understand it
[23:45:26] &lt;matt_&gt; cool. NCommander, ready?<br />
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<br />[23:44:10] <matt_> mattie_p, from the logs of our last meeting:
[23:45:44] &lt;NCommander&gt; Call the vote<br />
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<br />[23:44:11] <matt_> First: Our simple bylaws do not specifically allow board meetings over irc :( and we had less than the required 2 business days notice of this meeting :( but that's ok because we can take action without a meeting according to Article III, Section 11: "Action without a Meeting" :)
[23:45:49] &lt;matt_&gt; All those in favor of amending the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow meetings of the Board of Directors to be held on IRC, such that any votes taken at such a meeting shall be confirmed after said meeting by email to the Secretary of the Corporation to be binding and effective, (or, in the event that such a meeting would be unlawful, to amend the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow the Board of Directors to take action without a meeting, such that<br />
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<br />[23:44:17] <matt_> This works as long as "all members of the Board of Directors [...] consent thereto in writing or by electronic transmission, and such writings or electronic transmissions are filed with the records of the meetings of the Board of Directors", because "Such consent shall be treated as a valid and proper vote of the Board of Directors or committee thereof for all purposes".
[23:45:53] &lt;matt_&gt; Aye!<br />
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<br />[23:44:21] <matt_> So, long-story short, any decisions that we make here need to be unanimous to be binding. We can change this by voting to amend the bylaws during this meeting, if you want, or we can leave that for later.
[23:46:02] &lt;NCommander&gt; aye<br />
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<br />[23:44:39] <mattie_p> mrcoolbp, matt_ thanks for the clarification
[23:46:05] &lt;NCommander&gt; wait<br />
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<br />[23:44:46] <mrcoolbp> np
[23:46:08] &lt;NCommander&gt; where the rest of it<br />
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<br />[23:44:58] <Bytram> thanks for the clarification
[23:46:14] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; such that...<br />
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<br />[23:45:10] <mrcoolbp> okay: move to vote on #3
[23:46:14] &lt;NCommander&gt; "such that ..."<br />
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<br />[23:45:12] <xlefay> matt_, thanks for the full explanation & clarification. It's much appreciated. Anyway, I suggest we just move to the vote.
[23:46:25] &lt;matt_&gt; please stand by :)<br />
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<br />[23:45:26] <matt_> cool. NCommander, ready?
[23:46:57] &lt;matt_&gt; it was too long :(<br />
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<br />[23:45:44] <NCommander> Call the vote
[23:47:06] &lt;matt_&gt; ok, a 2-parter. please stand by :)<br />
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<br />[23:45:49] <matt_> All those in favor of amending the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow meetings of the Board of Directors to be held on IRC, such that any votes taken at such a meeting shall be confirmed after said meeting by email to the Secretary of the Corporation to be binding and effective, (or, in the event that such a meeting would be unlawful, to amend the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow the Board of Directors to take action without a meeting, such that
[23:47:15] &lt;xlefay&gt; I cannot, as a staff member, agree with such an amendment unless, a format is first declared. So that, meetings on IRC will be properly structured and be sound. That's, my take on it anyway...<br />
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<br />[23:45:53] <matt_> Aye!
[23:47:26] &lt;xlefay&gt; but, feel free to ignore that hehe :P<br />
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<br />[23:46:02] <NCommander> aye
[23:47:43] &lt;NCommander&gt; xlefay, the format doesn't need to be locked in the bylaws<br />
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<br />[23:46:02] * mrcoolbp reads
[23:47:46] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; xlefay: a discussion on the format is forthcoming already<br />
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<br />[23:46:05] <NCommander> wait
[23:48:00] &lt;xlefay&gt; NCommander, true, but it should be declared (say, on the wiki)<br />
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<br />[23:46:08] <NCommander> where the rest of it
[23:48:05] &lt;matt_&gt; All those in favor of amending the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow meetings of the Board of Directors to be held on IRC, such that any votes taken at such a meeting shall be confirmed after said meeting by email to the Secretary of the Corporation to be binding and effective, (or, in the event that such a meeting would be unlawful, to amend the Bylaws of the<br />
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<br />[23:46:14] <mrcoolbp> such that...
[23:48:09] &lt;matt_&gt; Corporation to allow the Board of Directors to take action without a meeting, such that any such action shall require the vote of a majority of the Directors then in office, confirmed by email to the Secretary of the Corporation, to be binding and effective):<br />
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<br />[23:46:14] <NCommander> "such that ..."
[23:48:29] &lt;NCommander&gt; xlefay, and it will be, but this is just fixig the bylaws so we can formally do it on IRC at all<br />
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<br />[23:46:25] <matt_> please stand by :)
[23:48:52] &lt;Bytram&gt; matt_: question....<br />
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<br />[23:46:57] <matt_> it was too long :(
[23:49:00] &lt;NCommander&gt; matt_, still seems bifuricated, stuff it on pastebin.com or something<br />
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<br />[23:47:06] <matt_> ok, a 2-parter. please stand by :)
[23:49:10] &lt;NCommander&gt; or maybe xchat being stupid<br />
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<br />[23:47:15] <xlefay> I cannot, as a staff member, agree with such an amendment unless, a format is first declared. So that, meetings on IRC will be properly structured and be sound. That's, my take on it anyway...  
[23:49:11] &lt;Bytram&gt; are we over-specifying by mentioning "IRC"...<br />
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<br />[23:47:26] <xlefay> but, feel free to ignore that hehe :P
[23:49:13] &lt;NCommander&gt; I see the whole thing now<br />
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<br />[23:47:43] <NCommander> xlefay, the format doesn't need to be locked in the bylaws
[23:49:21] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, it is complete.<br />
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<br />[23:47:46] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: a discussion on the format is forthcoming already
[23:49:24] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; bytram: no<br />
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<br />[23:48:00] <xlefay> NCommander, true, but it should be declared (say, on the wiki)
[23:49:37] &lt;matt_&gt; i meant NCommander :)<br />
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<br />[23:48:05] <matt_> All those in favor of amending the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow meetings of the Board of Directors to be held on IRC, such that any votes taken at such a meeting shall be confirmed after said meeting by email to the Secretary of the Corporation to be binding and effective, (or, in the event that such a meeting would be unlawful, to amend the Bylaws of the
[23:49:54] &lt;paulej72&gt; does this till have the x days stuff in effect<br />
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<br />[23:48:09] <matt_> Corporation to allow the Board of Directors to take action without a meeting, such that any such action shall require the vote of a majority of the Directors then in office, confirmed by email to the Secretary of the Corporation, to be binding and effective):
[23:50:12] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, what other means would you envision wanting to use for a board meeting?<br />
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<br />[23:48:29] <NCommander> xlefay, and it will be, but this is just fixig the bylaws so we can formally do it on IRC at all
[23:50:22] &lt;xlefay&gt; NCommander, mrcoolbp, I have full faith in the board and the staff, but.. this is binding so I generally feel safer if something is first declared/written up/proposed before it is decided, just to avoid misunderstandings and the likes later on. This is just me "playing it safe", feel free to disregard it<br />
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<br />[23:48:52] <Bytram> matt_: question....
[23:50:34] &lt;matt_&gt; paulej72, the final text will have to be approved via email.<br />
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<br />[23:49:00] <NCommander> matt_, still seems bifuricated, stuff it on pastebin.com or something
[23:50:42] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; xlefay: it's been duly noted<br />
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<br />[23:49:10] <NCommander> or maybe xchat being stupid
[23:50:52] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; I'm gonna vote:<br />
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<br />[23:49:11] <Bytram> are we over-specifying by mentioning "IRC"...  
[23:50:54] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Aye!<br />
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<br />[23:49:13] <NCommander> I see the whole thing now
[23:51:03] &lt;Bytram&gt; so, IRC and *ONLY* IRC? No other real-time chat-type system would be permitted. i don't know of any specific alternative off-hand, but it is an *instance* of a *class* of communication tools.<br />
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<br />[23:49:21] <matt_> Bytram, it is complete.
[23:51:05] &lt;matt_&gt; xlefay, paulej72, the issue is that normally, this would be attached to an email or presented at a meatspace meeting, etc.<br />
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<br />[23:49:24] <mrcoolbp> bytram: no
[23:51:16] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Bytram: we can always ammend later.<br />
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<br />[23:49:37] <matt_> i meant NCommander :)
[23:51:43] &lt;NCommander&gt; Bytram, this is for regular BoD meetings, special meetings can be in any formal, meatspace or virtual space<br />
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<br />[23:49:54] <paulej72> does this till have the x days stuff in effect
[23:51:54] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, if we wanted to use an alternative means, it would be easy to amend the bylaws again.<br />
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<br />[23:50:12] <matt_> Bytram, what other means would you envision wanting to use for a board meeting?  
[23:51:56] &lt;xlefay&gt; Also, I suggest, that, those decisions are only binding if they are, indeed, properly documented.<br />
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<br />[23:50:22] <xlefay> NCommander, mrcoolbp, I have full faith in the board and the staff, but.. this is binding so I generally feel safer if something is first declared/written up/proposed before it is decided, just to avoid misunderstandings and the likes later on. This is just me "playing it safe", feel free to disregard it  
[23:52:07] &lt;Bytram&gt; NCommander: like a conference call? If so, I'm good then.<br />
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<br />[23:50:34] <matt_> paulej72, the final text will have to be approved via email.
[23:52:10] &lt;NCommander&gt; and if we're going to move those somewhere else, we should have to vote on it<br />
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<br />[23:50:42] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: it's been duly noted
[23:52:17] &lt;xlefay&gt; (with of course, those predefined templates)<br />
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<br />[23:50:52] <mrcoolbp> I'm gonna vote:
[23:52:18] &lt;Bytram&gt; agreed.<br />
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<br />[23:50:54] <mrcoolbp> Aye!
[23:52:22] &lt;NCommander&gt; Bytram, that's already explicately allowed by the current bylaws<br />
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<br />[23:51:03] <Bytram> so, IRC and *ONLY* IRC? No other real-time chat-type system would be permitted. i don't know of any specific alternative off-hand, but it is an *instance* of a *class* of communication tools.  
[23:52:28] &lt;matt_&gt; xlefay, thus the "shall be confirmed after said meeting by email" line.<br />
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<br />[23:51:05] <matt_> xlefay, paulej72, the issue is that normally, this would be attached to an email or presented at a meatspace meeting, etc.
[23:53:09] &lt;xlefay&gt; matt_, I meant, on a public forum - since, we are for the public benefit? Say, the wiki? Of course, I understand if there are exceptions to certain decisions.<br />
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<br />[23:51:16] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: we can always ammend later.  
[23:53:18] &lt;Bytram&gt; NCommander: yes, I'd forgotten about that temporarily. thanks for the reminder. I'm good.<br />
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<br />[23:51:43] <NCommander> Bytram, this is for regular BoD meetings, special meetings can be in any formal, meatspace or virtual space
[23:53:24] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; xlefay: please bring that up at the format discussion<br />
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<br />[23:51:54] <matt_> Bytram, if we wanted to use an alternative means, it would be easy to amend the bylaws again.
[23:53:47] &lt;xlefay&gt; mrcoolbp, will do. Just figured I'd lay it out there, for possible amendment into the amendment itself.<br />
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<br />[23:51:56] <xlefay> Also, I suggest, that, those decisions are only binding if they are, indeed, properly documented.
[23:53:58] &lt;matt_&gt; xlefay, we are posting the minutes on the wiki. Once we have an actual official meeting (if we amend the bylaws to allow such a thing over IRC, for example), the minutes will be placed on the wiki in a standard format, i would think.<br />
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<br />[23:52:07] <Bytram> NCommander: like a conference call? If so, I'm good then.
[23:54:28] &lt;NCommander&gt; anyway, Aye<br />
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<br />[23:52:10] <NCommander> and if we're going to move those somewhere else, we should have to vote on it
[23:54:34] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Aye<br />
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<br />[23:52:17] <xlefay> (with of course, those predefined templates)
[23:54:45] &lt;xlefay&gt; matt_, that's good - but shouldn't that be a requirement, for the sake of completeness? (forgive my questions, just ensuring I fully understand)<br />
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<br />[23:52:18] <Bytram> agreed.
[23:54:50] &lt;matt_&gt; hah! to the question 50 lines up :D let me restate it:<br />
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<br />[23:52:22] <NCommander> Bytram, that's already explicately allowed by the current bylaws
[23:54:59] &lt;matt_&gt; All those in favor of amending the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow meetings of the Board of Directors to be held on IRC, such that any votes taken at such a meeting shall be confirmed after said meeting by email to the Secretary of the Corporation to be binding and effective, (or, in the event that such a meeting would be unlawful, to amend the Bylaws of the<br />
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<br />[23:52:28] <matt_> xlefay, thus the "shall be confirmed after said meeting by email" line.
[23:55:04] &lt;matt_&gt; Corporation to allow the Board of Directors to take action without a meeting, such that any such action shall require the vote of a majority of the Directors then in office, confirmed by email to the Secretary of the Corporation, to be binding and effective):<br />
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<br />[23:53:09] <xlefay> matt_, I meant, on a public forum - since, we are for the public benefit? Say, the wiki? Of course, I understand if there are exceptions to certain decisions.
[23:55:09] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Aye!<br />
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<br />[23:53:18] <Bytram> NCommander: yes, I'd forgotten about that temporarily. thanks for the reminder. I'm good.
[23:55:11] &lt;matt_&gt; Aye!<br />
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<br />[23:53:24] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: please bring that up at the format discussion
[23:55:18] &lt;NCommander&gt; Aye<br />
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<br />[23:53:47] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, will do. Just figured I'd lay it out there, for possible amendment into the amendment itself.  
[23:55:20] &lt;matt_&gt; Resolved.<br />
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<br />[23:53:58] <matt_> xlefay, we are posting the minutes on the wiki. Once we have an actual official meeting (if we amend the bylaws to allow such a thing over IRC, for example), the minutes will be placed on the wiki in a standard format, i would think.  
[23:55:25] &lt;matt_&gt; Great! I will circulate the text of the amendment for final approval once I have it ready.<br />
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<br />[23:54:28] <NCommander> anyway, Aye
[23:55:41] &lt;NCommander&gt; yay<br />
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<br />[23:54:34] <mrcoolbp> Aye
[23:55:44] &lt;matt_&gt; Now, on to the proposal for issuing common stock to NCommander and myself to facilitate the transfer of assets from us to the Corporation without placing the Corporation in debt.<br />
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<br />[23:54:45] <xlefay> matt_, that's good - but shouldn't that be a requirement, for the sake of completeness? (forgive my questions, just ensuring I fully understand)
[23:55:53] &lt;matt_&gt; Did you guys have a chance to review the document that I sent? If so, what did you think of it? Would you like me to recap the purpose/benefits of this proposal?<br />
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<br />[23:54:50] <matt_> hah! to the question 50 lines up :D let me restate it:
[23:56:05] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; yes please<br />
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<br />[23:54:59] <matt_> All those in favor of amending the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow meetings of the Board of Directors to be held on IRC, such that any votes taken at such a meeting shall be confirmed after said meeting by email to the Secretary of the Corporation to be binding and effective, (or, in the event that such a meeting would be unlawful, to amend the Bylaws of the
[23:56:14] &lt;matt_&gt; To recap, this agreement accomplishes the following:<br />
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<br />[23:55:04] <matt_> Corporation to allow the Board of Directors to take action without a meeting, such that any such action shall require the vote of a majority of the Directors then in office, confirmed by email to the Secretary of the Corporation, to be binding and effective):
[23:56:18] &lt;NCommander&gt; briefly, not sure, yes<br />
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<br />[23:55:09] <mrcoolbp> Aye!
[23:56:19] &lt;matt_&gt; 1. SoylentNews acquires all rights to its own accounts, data, domains, etc., which are currently owned by Michael and myself.<br />
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<br />[23:55:11] <matt_> Aye!
[23:56:24] &lt;matt_&gt; 2. SoylentNews gets long-term liabilities for start-up costs off of its books (i.e., SN is not in debt to anyone). If, once SN is financially stable, we wanted to reimburse start-up costs, the board could authorize the payment of a dividend, etc.<br />
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<br />[23:55:18] <NCommander> Aye
[23:56:27] &lt;matt_&gt; 3. The agreement provides a mechanism for us to contribute some cash directly to SN, which would allow SN to start directly paying for hosting, etc., thus minimizing accumulation of personal expenses for which we would later want to seek reimbursement. If this is of interest, we should discuss the amounts of cash that we would want to contribute. I included $700 for me as an example in the attachment.<br />
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<br />[23:55:20] <matt_> Resolved.  
[23:56:32] &lt;matt_&gt; 4. Tax implications are minimal because there are no restrictions that will lapse (e.g., vesting). If we wanted to include a vesting schedule, we would include that in a separate shareholder's agreement, which would be a bit more complicated (although I do have a template). This would then likely require the 83(b) election that I mentioned in our last meeting, unless we decided to impose vesting restrictions later.<br />
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<br />[23:55:25] <matt_> Great! I will circulate the text of the amendment for final approval once I have it ready.  
[23:56:37] &lt;matt_&gt; 5. If the same number of shares are issued to Michael and to me, then there will be no change in authority relative to the current situation with a 3-member board that includes the two of us. For example, it would not be possible to accidentally sell the corporation to DICE, as both Michael and I would have to agree to such a sale :)<br />
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<br />[23:55:41] <NCommander> yay
[23:56:47] &lt;matt_&gt; i think that's pretty much it. =)<br />
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<br />[23:55:44] <matt_> Now, on to the proposal for issuing common stock to NCommander and myself to facilitate the transfer of assets from us to the Corporation without placing the Corporation in debt.
[23:57:30] &lt;xlefay&gt; I think that speaks for itself.. as a non-board member, let me just say "aye"<br />
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<br />[23:55:53] <matt_> Did you guys have a chance to review the document that I sent? If so, what did you think of it? Would you like me to recap the purpose/benefits of this proposal?
[23:57:35] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; heh<br />
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<br />[23:56:05] <mrcoolbp> yes please
[23:57:50] &lt;Bytram&gt; matt_: is this *common* stock or *capital* stock?<br />
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<br />[23:56:14] <matt_> To recap, this agreement accomplishes the following:
[23:57:55] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; common<br />
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<br />[23:56:18] <NCommander> briefly, not sure, yes
[23:57:59] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, those two are the same thing for us :)<br />
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<br />[23:56:19] <matt_> 1. SoylentNews acquires all rights to its own accounts, data, domains, etc., which are currently owned by Michael and myself.
[23:58:06] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; oh<br />
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<br />[23:56:24] <matt_> 2. SoylentNews gets long-term liabilities for start-up costs off of its books (i.e., SN is not in debt to anyone). If, once SN is financially stable, we wanted to reimburse start-up costs, the board could authorize the payment of a dividend, etc.
[23:58:17] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, our Certificate of Incorporation doesn't allow us to issue Preferred Stock or any other kind of capital stock.<br />
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<br />[23:56:27] <matt_> 3. The agreement provides a mechanism for us to contribute some cash directly to SN, which would allow SN to start directly paying for hosting, etc., thus minimizing accumulation of personal expenses for which we would later want to seek reimbursement. If this is of interest, we should discuss the amounts of cash that we would want to contribute. I included $700 for me as an example in the attachment.  
[23:58:31] &lt;Bytram&gt; ahhhhh, got it now. thanks!<br />
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<br />[23:56:32] <matt_> 4. Tax implications are minimal because there are no restrictions that will lapse (e.g., vesting). If we wanted to include a vesting schedule, we would include that in a separate shareholder's agreement, which would be a bit more complicated (although I do have a template). This would then likely require the 83(b) election that I mentioned in our last meeting, unless we decided to impose vesting restrictions later.
[23:58:37] &lt;NCommander&gt; I admit I'm still concerned about possible tax stuff on both a personal and corporate level<br />
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<br />[23:56:37] <matt_> 5. If the same number of shares are issued to Michael and to me, then there will be no change in authority relative to the current situation with a 3-member board that includes the two of us. For example, it would not be possible to accidentally sell the corporation to DICE, as both Michael and I would have to agree to such a sale :)
[23:59:13] &lt;NCommander&gt; I'm willing to investigate further (I needo to talk w/ my accountant), and perhaps have things lined up for a formal yay/nay next meeting<br />
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<br />[23:56:47] <matt_> i think that's pretty much it. =)
[23:59:20] &lt;matt_&gt; NCommander, the key with this is: if we want to do it, we should do it before the stock has any value, otherwise it gets more complicated.<br />
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<br />[23:57:30] <xlefay> I think that speaks for itself.. as a non-board member, let me just say "aye"
[23:59:31] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; = /<br />
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<br />[23:57:35] <mrcoolbp> heh
[23:59:33] &lt;NCommander&gt; Well, that's going to take awhile<br />
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<br />[23:57:50] <Bytram> matt_: is this *common* stock or *capital* stock?
[23:59:41] &lt;NCommander&gt; with making sure we have proper provisions in allowing the PBC to buy itself back<br />
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<br />[23:57:55] <mrcoolbp> common
[23:59:51] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; yes, agreed<br />
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<br />[23:57:59] <matt_> Bytram, those two are the same thing for us :)
[00:00:27] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; NCommander, matt_: it's true that we don't currently have a revenue stream, but we do have plans in place to start that going<br />
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<br />[23:58:06] <mrcoolbp> oh
[00:00:31] &lt;Bytram&gt; NCommander: I'm not so sure about how long it would take; between subscriptions and swag, we could be in the black in a few weeks.<br />
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<br />[23:58:17] <matt_> Bytram, our Certificate of Incorporation doesn't allow us to issue Preferred Stock or any other kind of capital stock.  
[00:00:52] &lt;matt_&gt; normally this type of agreement is done within 2-3 days of incorporation :/<br />
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<br />[23:58:31] <Bytram> ahhhhh, got it now. thanks!
[00:01:05] &lt;Bytram&gt; NOTE: *could* not necessarily *will*.<br />
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<br />[23:58:37] <NCommander> I admit I'm still concerned about possible tax stuff on both a personal and corporate level
[00:01:12] &lt;matt_&gt; to eliminate any possibility that the stock has increased in value between incorporation and issuance.<br />
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<br />[23:59:13] <NCommander> I'm willing to investigate further (I needo to talk w/ my accountant), and perhaps have things lined up for a formal yay/nay next meeting  
[00:01:27] &lt;matt_&gt; NCommander, when can you talk with your accountant?<br />
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<br />[23:59:20] <matt_> NCommander, the key with this is: if we want to do it, we should do it before the stock has any value, otherwise it gets more complicated.  
[00:01:53] &lt;NCommander&gt; probably this week<br />
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<br />[23:59:31] <mrcoolbp> = /
[00:02:27] &lt;matt_&gt; ok. i know that you're planning a trip soon, do you think it would be realistic to try to sqeeze in a meeting before then, at least on this issue?<br />
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<br />[23:59:33] <NCommander> Well, that's going to take awhile
[00:02:45] &lt;NCommander&gt; My concern with issuing stock of any kind is it means that part of the corporation isn't owned by itself. Lets say a year from now, we're in the black you have got stock though for the site<br />
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<br />[23:59:41] <NCommander> with making sure we have proper provisions in allowing the PBC to buy itself back
[00:03:07] &lt;NCommander&gt; And then hit a personal issue like bankruptecy and sell assets to a third part :-P<br />
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<br />[23:59:51] <mrcoolbp> yes, agreed
[00:03:08] &lt;Bytram&gt; can the board agree now to have the corporation issue stock, contingent on NCommander's discussion with his accountant and acceptance of it?<br />
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<br />[00:00:27] <mrcoolbp> NCommander, matt_: it's true that we don't currently have a revenue stream, but we  do  have plans in place to start that going
[00:03:27] &lt;matt_&gt; NCommander, oh, this is a key point. The Board of Directors has to approve all transfers of stock.<br />
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<br />[00:00:31] <Bytram> NCommander: I'm not so sure about how long it would take; between subscriptions and swag, we could be in the black in a few weeks.  
[00:03:28] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; NCommander: I don't beleive they can be sold to a third party<br />
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<br />[00:00:52] <matt_> normally this type of agreement is done within 2-3 days of incorporation :/
[00:03:34] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; ah that<br />
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<br />[00:01:05] <Bytram> NOTE: *could* not necessarily *will*.
[00:03:37] &lt;matt_&gt; NCommander, so you're not allowed to sell it without board approval.<br />
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<br />[00:01:12] <matt_> to eliminate any possibility that the stock has increased in value between incorporation and issuance.
[00:03:43] &lt;matt_&gt; that's in our bylaws.<br />
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<br />[00:01:27] <matt_> NCommander, when can you talk with your accountant?  
[00:03:58] &lt;NCommander&gt; ALright<br />
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<br />[00:01:53] <NCommander> probably this week
[00:04:15] &lt;NCommander&gt; I'm willing to approve a tentative approval to make sure I'm not upsetting a legal mess<br />
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<br />[00:02:27] <matt_> ok. i know that you're planning a trip soon, do you think it would be realistic to try to sqeeze in a meeting before then, at least on this issue?
[00:04:31] &lt;matt_&gt; approve a tentative approval :?<br />
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<br />[00:02:45] <NCommander> My concern with issuing stock of any kind is it means that part of the corporation isn't owned by itself. Lets say a year from now, we're in the black you have got stock though for the site
[00:04:32] &lt;paulej72&gt; so what happens if someone does sell it. is the stock void?<br />
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<br />[00:03:07] <NCommander> And then hit a personal issue like bankruptecy and sell assets to a third part :-P
[00:04:43] &lt;matt_&gt; paulej72, the sale is null and void.<br />
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<br />[00:03:08] <Bytram> can the board agree now to have the corporation issue stock, contingent on NCommander's discussion with his accountant and acceptance of it?
[00:04:50] &lt;paulej72&gt; ok<br />
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<br />[00:03:27] <matt_> NCommander, oh, this is a key point. The Board of Directors has to approve all transfers of stock.  
[00:05:08] &lt;NCommander&gt; matt_, basically, make it hinge on me talking taxes w/ my personal accountent, and if he doesn't see any issues for my person issue, ACK<br />
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<br />[00:03:28] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I don't beleive they can be sold to a third party
[00:05:25] &lt;juggs&gt; could a majority of board members cause the bylaw that forbids the sale of stock to be removed?<br />
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<br />[00:03:34] <mrcoolbp> ah that
[00:05:33] &lt;matt_&gt; ok. i can adjust my pre-prepared voting language to that effect.<br />
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<br />[00:03:37] <matt_> NCommander, so you're not allowed to sell it without board approval.
[00:05:43] &lt;matt_&gt; juggs, yes.<br />
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<br />[00:03:43] <matt_> that's in our bylaws.
[00:05:45] &lt;NCommander&gt; juggs, yes<br />
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<br />[00:03:58] <NCommander> ALright
[00:05:46] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; juggs: yes<br />
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<br />[00:04:15] <NCommander> I'm willing to approve a tentative approval to make sure I'm not upsetting a legal mess
[00:05:55] &lt;NCommander&gt; wow, echo<br />
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<br />[00:04:29] * NCommander hopes that made sense
[00:06:03] &lt;juggs&gt; ha<br />
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<br />[00:04:31] <matt_> approve a tentative approval :?
[00:06:07] &lt;juggs&gt; I hear ya!<br />
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<br />[00:04:32] <paulej72> so what happens if someone does sell it. is the stock void?
[00:06:27] &lt;matt_&gt; ok, please stand by for a vote. of course, let me know if you have any questions/issues with the following language.<br />
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<br />[00:04:43] <matt_> paulej72, the sale is null and void.
[00:06:34] &lt;matt_&gt; this is a long one :)<br />
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<br />[00:04:50] <paulej72> ok
[00:06:45] &lt;matt_&gt; All those in favor of authorizing the officers of the Corporation to sell and issue 50,000 shares of the Corporation's Common Stock to Michael Casadevall at a purchase price of $0.10 per share, payable in cash, or by any other form of consideration permitted by applicable law, including the contribution of tangible property, and authorizing the officers of the Corporation to sell and issue 50,000 shares of the Corporation's Common Stock to Matt Ang<br />
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[00:06:49] &lt;matt_&gt; payable in cash, or by any other form of consideration permitted by applicable law, including the contribution of tangible property, and resolving that the form of the Founder's Common Stock Subscription Agreement be, and hereby is, adopted, ratified and approved, and that the sale and issuance of Common Stock to each of the above named persons shall be conditioned upon the receipt by the Corporation of (a) the purchase price for said stock and (b)<br />
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<br />[00:05:08] <NCommander> matt_, basically, make it hinge on me talking taxes w/ my personal accountent, and if he doesn't see any issues for my person issue, ACK
[00:06:53] &lt;matt_&gt; Agreement, including executed copies of any and all documents attached thereto as exhibits, and that the officers of the Corporation be, and each of them hereby is, authorized and directed, for and on behalf of the Corporation, to take such further action and execute such additional documents as each may deem necessary or appropriate to carry out the purposes of this resolution:<br />
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<br />[00:05:25] <juggs> could a majority of board members cause the bylaw that forbids the sale of stock to be removed?
[00:07:44] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ are we getting message truncation again?<br />
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<br />[00:05:33] <matt_> ok. i can adjust my pre-prepared voting language to that effect.
[00:07:49] &lt;mattie_p&gt; looks like you missed a few words in there<br />
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<br />[00:05:43] <matt_> juggs, yes.
[00:07:55] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, i think that came through.<br />
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<br />[00:05:45] <NCommander> juggs, yes
[00:08:04] &lt;matt_&gt; mattie_p, let me triple-check.<br />
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<br />[00:05:46] <mrcoolbp> juggs: yes
[00:08:05] &lt;mattie_p&gt; matt_: your name didn't<br />
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<br />[00:05:55] <NCommander> wow, echo
[00:08:09] &lt;Bytram&gt; first paragraph, your name is incomplete<br />
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<br />[00:06:03] <juggs> ha
[00:08:25] &lt;Bytram&gt; matt_: ^^<br />
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<br />[00:06:07] <juggs> I hear ya!
[00:08:28] &lt;paulej72&gt; flood control<br />
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<br />[00:06:27] <matt_> ok, please stand by for a vote. of course, let me know if you have any questions/issues with the following language.
[00:08:39] &lt;matt_&gt; *sigh<br />
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<br />[00:06:34] <matt_> this is a long one :)
[00:08:46] &lt;juggs&gt; :D<br />
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<br />[00:06:45] <matt_> All those in favor of authorizing the officers of the Corporation to sell and issue 50,000 shares of the Corporation's Common Stock to Michael Casadevall at a purchase price of $0.10 per share, payable in cash, or by any other form of consideration permitted by applicable law, including the contribution of tangible property, and authorizing the officers of the Corporation to sell and issue 50,000 shares of the Corporation's Common Stock to Matt Ang
[00:08:49] &lt;matt_&gt; ok, trying again :)<br />
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<br />[00:06:49] <matt_> payable in cash, or by any other form of consideration permitted by applicable law, including the contribution of tangible property, and resolving that the form of the Founder's Common Stock Subscription Agreement be, and hereby is, adopted, ratified and approved, and that the sale and issuance of Common Stock to each of the above named persons shall be conditioned upon the receipt by the Corporation of (a) the purchase price for said stock and (b)
[00:09:10] &lt;paulej72&gt; paste in smaller chunks<br />
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<br />[00:06:53] <matt_> Agreement, including executed copies of any and all documents attached thereto as exhibits, and that the officers of the Corporation be, and each of them hereby is, authorized and directed, for and on behalf of the Corporation, to take such further action and execute such additional documents as each may deem necessary or appropriate to carry out the purposes of this resolution:  
[00:09:16] &lt;NCommander&gt; matt_, pastebin.com or something similar is your friend<br />
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<br />[00:07:44] <mrcoolbp> matt_ are we getting message truncation again?
[00:09:19] &lt;paulej72&gt; submit between each<br />
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<br />[00:07:49] <mattie_p> looks like you missed a few words in there
[00:09:37] &lt;matt_&gt; All those in favor of authorizing the officers of the Corporation to sell and issue 50,000 shares of the Corporation's Common Stock to Michael Casadevall at a purchase price of $0.10 per share, payable in cash, or by any other form of consideration permitted by applicable law, including the<br />
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<br />[00:07:55] <matt_> mrcoolbp, i think that came through.
[00:09:44] &lt;matt_&gt; contribution of tangible property, and authorizing the officers of the Corporation to sell and issue 50,000 shares of the Corporation's Common Stock to Matt Angel at a purchase price of $0.10 per share,<br />
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<br />[00:08:04] <matt_> mattie_p, let me triple-check.
[00:09:50] &lt;matt_&gt; payable in cash, or by any other form of consideration permitted by applicable law, including the contribution of tangible property, and resolving that the form of the Founder's Common Stock Subscription Agreement be, and hereby is, adopted, ratified and approved, and that the sale and<br />
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<br />[00:08:05] <mattie_p> matt_: your name didn't
[00:11:35] &lt;matt__&gt; Agreement, including executed copies of any and all documents attached thereto as exhibits, and that the officers of the Corporation be, and each of them hereby is, authorized and directed, for and on behalf of the Corporation, to take such further action and execute such additional<br />
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<br />[00:08:09] <Bytram> first paragraph, your name is incomplete
[00:11:40] &lt;matt__&gt; documents as each may deem necessary or appropriate to carry out the purposes of this resolution:<br />
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<br />[00:08:25] <Bytram> matt_: ^^
[00:12:15] &lt;paulej72&gt; .op<br />
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<br />[00:08:28] <paulej72> flood control
[00:12:34] &lt;matt__&gt; paulej72, i was flood-controlled :(<br />
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<br />[00:08:39] <matt_> *sigh
[00:12:43] &lt;NCommander&gt; matt_, pastebin is your friend, seriously<br />
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<br />[00:08:40] * juggs quickly files a change of name to Matt Ang
[00:12:46] &lt;xlefay&gt; matt__, hence why pastebin is suggested :)<br />
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<br />[00:08:46] <juggs> :D
[00:12:47] &lt;NCommander&gt; Its easier to read<br />
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<br />[00:08:49] <matt_> ok, trying again :)
[00:12:48] &lt;juggs&gt; missed a bit again around here "issuance of Common Stock to each of the above named persons shall be conditioned upon the receipt by the Corporation of (a) the purchase price for said stock and (b)"<br />
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<br />[00:09:10] <paulej72> paste in smaller chunks
[00:12:49] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; .voice matt__<br />
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<br />[00:09:16] <NCommander> matt_, pastebin.com or something similar is your friend
[00:13:00] &lt;matt__&gt; NCommander, ack. ok, pastebin next time, definitely!<br />
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<br />[00:09:19] <paulej72> submit between each
[00:13:29] &lt;matt__&gt; anyway, i think everyone has the jist of it :)<br />
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<br />[00:09:37] <matt_> All those in favor of authorizing the officers of the Corporation to sell and issue 50,000 shares of the Corporation's Common Stock to Michael Casadevall at a purchase price of $0.10 per share, payable in cash, or by any other form of consideration permitted by applicable law, including the
[00:13:32] &lt;NCommander&gt; matt__, 50k shared is > what either of us owe though<br />
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<br />[00:09:44] <matt_> contribution of tangible property, and authorizing the officers of the Corporation to sell and issue 50,000 shares of the Corporation's Common Stock to Matt Angel at a purchase price of $0.10 per share,  
[00:13:36] &lt;NCommander&gt; *shares<br />
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<br />[00:09:50] <matt_> payable in cash, or by any other form of consideration permitted by applicable law, including the contribution of tangible property, and resolving that the form of the Founder's Common Stock Subscription Agreement be, and hereby is, adopted, ratified and approved, and that the sale and
[00:13:38] &lt;matt__&gt; so, we can just do the final text over email.<br />
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[00:13:49] &lt;matt__&gt; NCommander, it's at $0.10 per share.<br />
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<br />[00:11:35] <matt__> Agreement, including executed copies of any and all documents attached thereto as exhibits, and that the officers of the Corporation be, and each of them hereby is, authorized and directed, for and on behalf of the Corporation, to take such further action and execute such additional
[00:14:01] &lt;NCommander&gt; 50000*.10 == 5000<br />
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<br />[00:11:40] <matt__> documents as each may deem necessary or appropriate to carry out the purposes of this resolution:
[00:14:05] &lt;juggs&gt; $5K each?<br />
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<br />[00:12:15] <paulej72> .op
[00:14:07] &lt;matt__&gt; NCommander, we have to value our "Tangible and Intangible Property" in a way that the IRS, etc. will accept.<br />
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[00:14:11] &lt;mattie_p&gt; up to 50,000 shares are authorized to be sold, don't have to sell them all<br />
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<br />[00:12:34] <matt__> paulej72, i was flood-controlled :(
[00:14:19] &lt;NCommander&gt; oh<br />
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<br />[00:12:43] <NCommander> matt_, pastebin is your friend, seriously
[00:14:19] &lt;matt__&gt; so, for example, your contributions to date add up to a total value of $5000.<br />
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<br />[00:12:46] <xlefay> matt__, hence why pastebin is suggested :)
[00:15:26] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; .voice matt_<br />
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<br />[00:12:47] <NCommander> Its easier to read
[00:15:48] &lt;matt_&gt; Ok, so the last remaining step to get the Corporation officially set up is: I will collect all of the resolutions adopted by the board so far, including language for amending the Bylaws to allow meetings on IRC, and put together a "Unanimous Written Consent of the Board of Directors" document, which the three of us should sign.<br />
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<br />[00:12:48] <juggs> missed a bit again around here "issuance of Common Stock to each of the above named persons shall be conditioned upon the receipt by the Corporation of (a) the purchase price for said stock and (b)"
[00:16:18] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; okay<br />
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<br />[00:12:49] <mrcoolbp> .voice matt__
[00:16:24] &lt;NCommander&gt; k<br />
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<br />[00:12:49] -!- mode/#staff [+v matt__] by juggler
[00:16:26] &lt;matt_&gt; Finally, Item 4: Any other business (community involvement in corporate governance, SN policies and procedures manual, including: staff appointment & authority, account and password management, individual team policy, policy on retaining records, etc.).<br />
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<br />[00:13:00] <matt__> NCommander, ack. ok, pastebin next time, definitely!
[00:16:37] &lt;matt_&gt; NCommander, how's your incorporation post going?<br />
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<br />[00:13:29] <matt__> anyway, i think everyone has the jist of it :)
[00:17:20] &lt;matt_&gt; i ask, because i think that it would be nice to post the bylaws, etc. on the wiki, so that everyone can see them...<br />
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<br />[00:13:32] <NCommander> matt__, 50k shared is > what either of us owe though
[00:17:50] &lt;Bytram&gt; matt_: point of order? was there a vote taken on the issuance of common stock?<br />
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<br />[00:13:36] <NCommander> *shares
[00:17:58] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; negative<br />
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<br />[00:13:38] <matt__> so, we can just do the final text over email.
[00:18:10] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, due to technical issues, we will go with an email vote for that one, i think.<br />
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<br />[00:13:49] <matt__> NCommander, it's at $0.10 per share.
[00:18:22] &lt;NCommander&gt; matt_, its going very slowly<br />
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<br />[00:14:01] <NCommander> 50000*.10 == 5000
[00:18:30] &lt;NCommander&gt; I got about a 1/3rd through it<br />
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[00:18:30] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, since it didn't seem that there were any questions (unless i missed any).<br />
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<br />[00:14:05] <juggs> $5K each?
[00:18:55] &lt;Bytram&gt; matt_: okay, thanks.<br />
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<br />[00:14:07] <matt__> NCommander, we have to value our "Tangible and Intangible Property" in a way that the IRS, etc. will accept.
[00:19:42] &lt;matt_&gt; NCommander, also at the last meeting we had mentioned that your post would be a geat place to ask the community specifically how they would like to be involved in the governance of SoylentNews PBC.<br />
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<br />[00:14:11] <mattie_p> up to 50,000 shares are authorized to be sold, don't have to sell them all
[00:20:12] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; yes, please throw that in there somewhere<br />
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<br />[00:14:19] <NCommander> oh
[00:20:17] &lt;matt_&gt; let us know if you need any help with that, ok?<br />
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<br />[00:14:19] <matt__> so, for example, your contributions to date add up to a total value of $5000.
[00:20:32] &lt;NCommander&gt; mrcoolbp, its in there<br />
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[00:20:35] &lt;NCommander&gt; alright<br />
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[00:20:36] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; great<br />
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[00:20:37] &lt;matt_&gt; Next is the SN policies and procedures manual.<br />
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<br />[00:15:10] -!- mode/#staff [+v matt_] by irc.sylnt.us
[00:20:38] &lt;NCommander&gt; *already<br />
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<br />[00:15:10] -!- mode/#staff [-v matt_] by juggler
[00:20:43] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; On the Policy manual I have an update<br />
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<br />[00:15:26] <mrcoolbp> .voice matt_
[00:21:14] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Janrinok and I started drafting an SN Policy manual based on conversations with LaminatorX and matt_<br />
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<br />[00:15:26] -!- mode/#staff [+v matt_] by juggler
[00:21:35] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; once we have something readable, the plan is to circulate on the staff list for suggestions and criticisms<br />
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<br />[00:15:48] <matt_> Ok, so the last remaining step to get the Corporation officially set up is: I will collect all of the resolutions adopted by the board so far, including language for amending the Bylaws to allow meetings on IRC, and put together a "Unanimous Written Consent of the Board of Directors" document, which the three of us should sign.  
[00:22:08] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ can you elaborate on "staff appointment & authority<br />
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<br />[00:16:18] <mrcoolbp> okay
[00:22:10] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; ?<br />
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<br />[00:16:24] <NCommander> k
[00:22:43] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, actually, i think that you probably already have that in there. basically, how does someone become "staff", and what authority do staff have.<br />
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<br />[00:16:26] <matt_> Finally, Item 4: Any other business (community involvement in corporate governance, SN policies and procedures manual, including: staff appointment & authority, account and password management, individual team policy, policy on retaining records, etc.).
[00:22:59] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; oh, part of the policy manual got it<br />
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<br />[00:16:37] <matt_> NCommander, how's your incorporation post going?
[00:23:00] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; okay<br />
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<br />[00:17:20] <matt_> i ask, because i think that it would be nice to post the bylaws, etc. on the wiki, so that everyone can see them...  
[00:23:03] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; account and password management: We have done a decent job of duplicating privledges and passwords on various accounts<br />
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<br />[00:17:50] <Bytram> matt_: point of order? was there a vote taken on the issuance of common stock?
[00:23:15] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; but I think we need to do a once over on each account<br />
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<br />[00:17:58] <mrcoolbp> negative
[00:23:28] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; I can work with paulej72 on making sure that is done<br />
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<br />[00:18:10] <matt_> Bytram, due to technical issues, we will go with an email vote for that one, i think.
[00:23:43] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; I think 3 people should be able to access each system<br />
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<br />[00:18:22] <NCommander> matt_, its going very slowly
[00:24:09] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; but we had discussed locking the keys in a container and needing mulitple people to unlock (food for thought)<br />
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<br />[00:18:30] <NCommander> I got about a 1/3rd through it
[00:24:30] &lt;matt_&gt; nice. it sounds like you have a good grip on the issue. the question of SN's policy on retaining records came up recently, as well.<br />
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<br />[00:18:30] <matt_> Bytram, since it didn't seem that there were any questions (unless i missed any).  
[00:24:35] &lt;paulej72&gt; would like it to be 3 qualified people, but we will tak what we can get<br />
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<br />[00:18:43] -!- mode/#staff [-v bryan] by juggler
[00:24:39] &lt;Bytram&gt; mrcoolbp: do we have *one* place which itemizes *all* the (computer) accounts we have? Each system (e.g. Boron), service, DNS entries, *everything*?<br />
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<br />[00:18:55] <Bytram> matt_: okay, thanks.  
[00:24:42] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; paulej72: well said<br />
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<br />[00:19:42] <matt_> NCommander, also at the last meeting we had mentioned that your post would be a geat place to ask the community specifically how they would like to be involved in the governance of SoylentNews PBC.  
[00:24:53] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Bytram, not compiled, I'll note that<br />
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<br />[00:20:12] <mrcoolbp> yes, please throw that in there somewhere
[00:25:12] &lt;Bytram&gt; great! thank you.<br />
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<br />[00:20:17] <matt_> let us know if you need any help with that, ok?
[00:25:27] &lt;xlefay&gt; We can certainly get records from LDAP, as for local accounts - that'll require some inventorisation.<br />
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<br />[00:20:32] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, its in there
[00:25:28] &lt;Bytram&gt; might check with xlefay who has a pretty good list from setting up icinga, too.<br />
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<br />[00:20:35] <NCommander> alright
[00:25:33] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ that's all I have for now on that item, is now a good time to bring up a point from a staff memeber who couldn't make it?<br />
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<br />[00:20:36] <mrcoolbp> great
[00:25:48] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Bytram: noted, thank you!<br />
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<br />[00:20:37] <matt_> Next is the SN policies and procedures manual.
[00:26:10] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, yes! we have reached the end of the agenda, so let's open the floor.<br />
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<br />[00:20:38] <NCommander> *already
[00:26:22] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; okay<br />
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<br />[00:20:43] <mrcoolbp> On the Policy manual I have an update
[00:26:31] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; <+mechanicjay> I'm wondering about regular meetings, their frequency and I'd like to see 1 weeks notice before future meetings. While that wont' be an idea time, it does give folks a chance to arrange their schedules accordingly.<br />
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<br />[00:21:14] <mrcoolbp> Janrinok and I started drafting an SN Policy manual based on conversations with LaminatorX and matt_
[00:26:31] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; <+mechanicjay> Also, now that incorporation has started, what are the responsibilities of regular old staff folks. Does the relationship between a volunteer staff person and the corporation get formalized at some point?<br />
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<br />[00:21:35] <mrcoolbp> once we have something readable, the plan is to circulate on the staff list for suggestions and criticisms
[00:26:51] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; idea = ideal I think<br />
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<br />[00:22:08] <mrcoolbp> matt_ can you elaborate on "staff appointment & authority
[00:27:18] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; the second one I'll add to my SN policy manual draft<br />
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<br />[00:22:10] <mrcoolbp> ?
[00:27:38] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; I have "a template for that"<br />
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<br />[00:22:43] <matt_> mrcoolbp, actually, i think that you probably already have that in there. basically, how does someone become "staff", and what authority do staff have.
[00:27:43] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, yes, the second one sounds like it would be perfect for the policy draft.<br />
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<br />[00:22:59] <mrcoolbp> oh, part of the policy manual got it
[00:27:45] &lt;matt_&gt; =)<br />
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<br />[00:23:00] <mrcoolbp> okay  
[00:28:14] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ is one week notice a good goal to shoot for?<br />
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<br />[00:23:03] <mrcoolbp> account and password management: We have done a decent job of duplicating privledges and passwords on various accounts
[00:28:29] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, as for the first one, it's also related to the policy draft, as it should be made clear that the board meetings are different than the staff meetings, i think.<br />
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<br />[00:23:15] <mrcoolbp> but I think we need to do a once over on each account
[00:28:52] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ if you want I can add a distiction to the manual<br />
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<br />[00:23:28] <mrcoolbp> I can work with paulej72 on making sure that is done
[00:29:03] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, this also gets to the issue of electing additional directors, which we can do at any time.<br />
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<br />[00:23:43] <mrcoolbp> I think 3 people should be able to access each system
[00:29:11] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, yes please.<br />
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<br />[00:24:09] <mrcoolbp> but we had discussed locking the keys in a container and needing mulitple people to unlock (food for thought)
[00:29:13] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; ah yes, nice segway<br />
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<br />[00:24:30] <matt_> nice. it sounds like you have a good grip on the issue. the question of SN's policy on retaining records came up recently, as well.
[00:29:17] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ noted<br />
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<br />[00:24:35] <paulej72> would like it to be 3 qualified people, but we will tak what we can get
[00:29:37] &lt;matt_&gt; also, i forgot one last item that was added to the agenda: discuss a standard format for board meetings<br />
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<br />[00:24:39] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: do we have *one* place which itemizes *all* the (computer) accounts we have? Each system (e.g. Boron), service, DNS entries, *everything*?  
[00:29:50] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; okay, so let's take those one at a time<br />
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<br />[00:24:42] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: well said
[00:30:13] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; first, are there any board positions that we feel should be fulfilled?<br />
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<br />[00:24:53] <mrcoolbp> Bytram, not compiled, I'll note that
[00:30:24] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ could you recap the common unfilled positions?<br />
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<br />[00:25:12] <Bytram> great! thank you.
[00:30:33] &lt;xlefay&gt; oops, a bit too late, but... Additionally, when meetings are made in advance, people can easily - suggest topics/items ahead of time.<br />
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<br />[00:25:27] <xlefay> We can certainly get records from LDAP, as for local accounts - that'll require some inventorisation.
[00:30:47] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, well there are really two questions there: do we want to elect additional Directors, and do we want to appoint additional officers.<br />
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<br />[00:25:28] <Bytram> might check with xlefay who has a pretty good list from setting up icinga, too.
[00:31:06] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ can you elaborate on the difference?<br />
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<br />[00:25:33] <mrcoolbp> matt_ that's all I have for now on that item, is now a good time to bring up a point from a staff memeber who couldn't make it?
[00:31:27] &lt;Bytram&gt; I'd appreciate a refresher, too.<br />
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<br />[00:25:48] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: noted, thank you!
[00:31:32] &lt;matt_&gt; xlefay, actually, wouldn't it be good if there were a wiki where people could raise issues, so that we would be sure to bring them up at the next meeting, whenever that meeting is?<br />
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<br />[00:26:10] <matt_> mrcoolbp, yes! we have reached the end of the agenda, so let's open the floor.
[00:31:53] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ that's a great idea<br />
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<br />[00:26:22] <mrcoolbp> okay
[00:31:55] &lt;mattie_p&gt; officers are "official" staff of the corporation, board members vote in these meetings. They do not necessarily overlap, although right now they do<br />
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<br />[00:26:31] <mrcoolbp> <+mechanicjay> I'm wondering about regular meetings, their frequency and I'd like to see 1 weeks notice before future meetings. While that wont' be an idea time, it does give folks a chance to arrange their schedules accordingly.
[00:31:58] &lt;xlefay&gt; matt_, that's a great idea!<br />
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<br />[00:26:31] <mrcoolbp> <+mechanicjay> Also, now that incorporation has started, what are the responsibilities of regular old staff folks. Does the relationship between a volunteer staff person and the corporation get formalized at some point?
[00:32:31] &lt;Bytram&gt; how would/could they be different?<br />
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<br />[00:26:34] * juggs falls into the shark pool beneath the now open floor!
[00:32:41] &lt;matt_&gt; mrcoolbp, ok. so directors are directors (they take votes at board meetings, and the board has general responsibility for the corporation), while the officers are President, CEO, Treasurer, Secretary, and any number of Vice Presidents, Assistant Treasurers, Assistant Secretaries, etc., each of whom has specific duties.<br />
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<br />[00:26:51] <mrcoolbp> idea = ideal I think
[00:32:57] &lt;paulej72&gt; do we want team leaders to be board members?<br />
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<br />[00:27:18] <mrcoolbp> the second one I'll add to my SN policy manual draft
[00:33:05] &lt;matt_&gt; mattie_p, exactly!<br />
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<br />[00:27:38] <mrcoolbp> I have "a template for that"
[00:33:08] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; NCommander ^^<br />
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<br />[00:27:41] * mrcoolbp winks at matt)
[00:34:06] &lt;NCommander&gt; paulej72, dev, Ieditoral, community, IRC?<br />
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<br />[00:27:43] <matt_> mrcoolbp, yes, the second one sounds like it would be perfect for the policy draft.
[00:34:07] &lt;mattie_p&gt; officers run the day to day business of the corporation. board members control the overall direction and appoint officers, but do not make day-to-day operational business decisions<br />
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<br />[00:27:45] <matt_> =)
[00:34:08] &lt;matt_&gt; i would suggest that the officers should be given maximum leeway to discharge their duties, and that the board only step in on specific issues if there is a credible legal or financial issue.<br />
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<br />[00:28:14] <mrcoolbp> matt_ is one week notice a good goal to shoot for?  
[00:34:22] &lt;NCommander&gt; ack on what matt_ says<br />
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<br />[00:28:29] <matt_> mrcoolbp, as for the first one, it's also related to the policy draft, as it should be made clear that the board meetings are different than the staff meetings, i think.
[00:34:32] &lt;mattie_p&gt; so each of the three board members currently has two hats, if you will<br />
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<br />[00:28:32] * mrcoolbp notes 2 days is all that is required
[00:34:43] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; matt_ I ACK that as well<br />
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<br />[00:28:52] <mrcoolbp> matt_ if you want I can add a distiction to the manual
[00:35:17] &lt;paulej72&gt; yes NCommander<br />
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<br />[00:29:03] <matt_> mrcoolbp, this also gets to the issue of electing additional directors, which we can do at any time.
[00:35:35] &lt;juggs&gt; ack as in dislike?<br />
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<br />[00:29:11] <matt_> mrcoolbp, yes please.  
[00:35:44] &lt;xlefay&gt; ack as in acknowledge I assume<br />
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<br />[00:29:13] <mrcoolbp> ah yes, nice segway
[00:35:45] &lt;mattie_p&gt; ack = acknowledge<br />
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<br />[00:29:17] <mrcoolbp> matt_ noted
[00:35:50] &lt;juggs&gt; ty<br />
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<br />[00:29:37] <matt_> also, i forgot one last item that was added to the agenda: discuss a standard format for board meetings
[00:35:53] &lt;Bytram&gt; NCommander: and qa, too?<br />
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<br />[00:29:50] <mrcoolbp> okay, so let's take those one at a time
[00:35:53] &lt;matt_&gt; i would also suggest that the board be kept to a reasonable size to facilitate scheduling, discussion, and voting.<br />
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<br />[00:30:13] <mrcoolbp> first, are there any board positions that we feel should be fulfilled?
[00:36:09] &lt;NCommander&gt; Bytram, yes, but I also don't want to overcrowd the board<br />
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<br />[00:30:24] <mrcoolbp> matt_ could you recap the common unfilled positions?  
[00:36:19] &lt;Bytram&gt; NCommander: noted.<br />
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<br />[00:30:33] <xlefay> oops, a bit too late, but... Additionally, when meetings are made in advance, people can easily - suggest topics/items ahead of time.
[00:36:39] &lt;NCommander&gt; I recommend we toss this on chillax or the mailing list, and bring it back up next meeting<br />
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<br />[00:30:47] <matt_> mrcoolbp, well there are really two questions there: do we want to elect additional Directors, and do we want to appoint additional officers.
[00:36:54] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; NCommander: agreed<br />
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<br />[00:31:06] <mrcoolbp> matt_ can you elaborate on the difference?  
[00:36:54] &lt;Bytram&gt; matt_: in your experience, how large is "too big"?<br />
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<br />[00:31:27] <Bytram> I'd appreciate a refresher, too.  
[00:36:55] &lt;paulej72&gt; and should the board confirm the current team structure or do a restructure if we do make team leaders booard members<br />
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<br />[00:31:32] <matt_> xlefay, actually, wouldn't it be good if there were a wiki where people could raise issues, so that we would be sure to bring them up at the next meeting, whenever that meeting is?
[00:37:20] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; paulej72: we don't have an outline for the structure in any formal means<br />
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<br />[00:31:53] <mrcoolbp> matt_ that's a great idea
[00:37:32] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; so I wouldn't feel right confirming that<br />
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<br />[00:31:55] <mattie_p> officers are "official" staff of the corporation, board members vote in these meetings. They do not necessarily overlap, although right now they do
[00:37:56] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, in the very early stages (e.g., now), it is helpful to keep it to 3, just to keep things moving forward. Pretty soon, i would imagine it could/should be increased, probably to a maximum of 5-ish.<br />
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<br />[00:31:58] <xlefay> matt_, that's a great idea!
[00:38:46] &lt;juggs&gt; I d/conned not sure if I missed anything :(<br />
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<br />[00:32:31] <Bytram> how would/could they be different?
[00:38:57] &lt;Bytram&gt; matt_: thanks. My experience has been that many more than 6 or so and things take much longer to decide. thanks for the confirmation.<br />
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<br />[00:32:41] <matt_> mrcoolbp, ok. so directors are directors (they take votes at board meetings, and the board has general responsibility for the corporation), while the officers are President, CEO, Treasurer, Secretary, and any number of Vice Presidents, Assistant Treasurers, Assistant Secretaries, etc., each of whom has specific duties.
[00:39:01] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; juggs: check the log after<br />
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<br />[00:32:57] <paulej72> do we want team leaders to be board members?
[00:40:04] &lt;matt_&gt; Bytram, agreed. Also, there is a lot on the agenda in these early days, but pretty soon i would expect board meetings to need to happen less frequently, and have fewer major issues to discuss.<br />
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<br />[00:33:05] <matt_> mattie_p, exactly!
[00:40:28] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; okay, so should we move on to the Format for Board Meetings on IRC?<br />
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<br />[00:33:08] <mrcoolbp> NCommander ^^
[00:41:17] &lt;matt_&gt; ok. any thoughts?<br />
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<br />[00:34:06] <NCommander> paulej72, dev, Ieditoral, community, IRC?
[00:41:28] &lt;Bytram&gt; should we discuss that here, and now, or just agree we need one and work itout later?<br />
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<br />[00:34:07] <mattie_p> officers run the day to day business of the corporation. board members control the overall direction and appoint officers, but do not make day-to-day operational business decisions
[00:41:52] &lt;Bytram&gt; the details of the IRC board meeting, that is<br />
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<br />[00:34:08] <matt_> i would suggest that the officers should be given maximum leeway to discharge their duties, and that the board only step in on specific issues if there is a credible legal or financial issue.
[00:41:56] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; maybe get someone on a task force that could propose something for another meeting?<br />
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<br />[00:34:22] <NCommander> ack on what matt_ says
[00:42:31] &lt;Bytram&gt; I'll take that.<br />
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<br />[00:34:32] <mattie_p> so each of the three board members currently has two hats, if you will
[00:42:45] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Bytram: thanks, I'd suggest working with xlefay<br />
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<br />[00:34:43] <mrcoolbp> matt_ I ACK that as well
[00:42:51] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; okay, anything else?<br />
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<br />[00:35:17] <paulej72> yes NCommander
[00:42:54] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; did we miss anything?<br />
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<br />[00:35:35] <juggs> ack as in dislike?
[00:43:52] &lt;Bytram&gt; I can't think of anything off-hand.<br />
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<br />[00:35:44] <xlefay> ack as in acknowledge I assume
[00:44:11] &lt;matt_&gt; i think that's it. so my tasks (aside from investigating pastebin) are: draft and send a "Unanimous Written Consent of the Board of Directors" that includes the proposed amendment to the bylaws, and everything else that has been decided so far.<br />
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<br />[00:35:45] <mattie_p> ack = acknowledge
[00:44:29] &lt;NCommander&gt; Mine are bang on the subscription code, and call accountent<br />
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<br />[00:35:50] <juggs> ty
[00:45:24] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; mine are the policy manual and the store<br />
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<br />[00:35:53] <Bytram> NCommander: and qa, too?
[00:45:27] &lt;Bytram&gt; I'll work on a draft format for holding Board Meeting discussions on IRC.<br />
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<br />[00:35:53] <matt_> i would also suggest that the board be kept to a reasonable size to facilitate scheduling, discussion, and voting.
[00:45:51] &lt;matt_&gt; NCommander, also to finish up your incorporation post?<br />
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<br />[00:36:09] <NCommander> Bytram, yes, but I also don't want to overcrowd the board
[00:45:52] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; I think that's it<br />
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<br />[00:36:19] <Bytram> NCommander: noted.
[00:46:00] &lt;NCommander&gt; oh that too<br />
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<br />[00:36:39] <NCommander> I recommend we toss this on chillax or the mailing list, and bring it back up next meeting
[00:46:07] &lt;NCommander&gt; Beyond that, anything else, or can we close this ot?<br />
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<br />[00:36:54] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: agreed
[00:46:15] &lt;matt_&gt; All those in favor of adjourning?<br />
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<br />[00:36:54] <Bytram> matt_: in your experience, how large is "too big"?
[00:46:26] &lt;Bytram&gt; NCommander: I can help with the incorporation post<br />
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<br />[00:36:55] <paulej72> and should the board confirm the current team structure or do a restructure if we do make team leaders booard members
[00:46:28] &lt;NCommander&gt; aye<br />
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<br />[00:37:20] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: we don't have an outline for the structure in any formal means
[00:46:29] &lt;mrcoolbp&gt; Aye!<br />
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<br />[00:37:32] <mrcoolbp> so I wouldn't feel right confirming that
[00:46:30] &lt;matt_&gt; Aye!<br />
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<br />[00:37:56] <matt_> Bytram, in the very early stages (e.g., now), it is helpful to keep it to 3, just to keep things moving forward. Pretty soon, i would imagine it could/should be increased, probably to a maximum of 5-ish.
[00:46:32] &lt;matt_&gt; This Meeting of the Board of Directors of SoylentNews PBC stands adjourned!<br />
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<br />[00:38:46] <juggs> I d/conned not sure if I missed anything :(
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<br />[00:38:57] <Bytram> matt_: thanks. My experience has been that many more than 6 or so and things take much longer to decide. thanks for the confirmation.
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<br />[00:39:01] <mrcoolbp> juggs: check the log after
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<br />[00:40:04] <matt_> Bytram, agreed. Also, there is a lot on the agenda in these early days, but pretty soon i would expect board meetings to need to happen less frequently, and have fewer major issues to discuss.
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<br />[00:40:28] <mrcoolbp> okay, so should we move on to the Format for Board Meetings on IRC?
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<br />[00:41:17] <matt_> ok. any thoughts?
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<br />[00:41:28] <Bytram> should we discuss that here, and now, or just agree we need one and work itout later?
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<br />[00:41:52] <Bytram> the details of the IRC board meeting, that is
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<br />[00:41:56] <mrcoolbp> maybe get someone on a task force that could propose something for another meeting?
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<br />[00:42:31] <Bytram> I'll take that.
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<br />[00:42:45] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: thanks, I'd suggest working with xlefay
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<br />[00:42:51] <mrcoolbp> okay, anything else?
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<br />[00:42:54] <mrcoolbp> did we miss anything?
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<br />[00:43:52] <Bytram> I can't think of anything off-hand.
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<br />[00:44:11] <matt_> i think that's it. so my tasks (aside from investigating pastebin) are: draft and send a "Unanimous Written Consent of the Board of Directors" that includes the proposed amendment to the bylaws, and everything else that has been decided so far.
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<br />[00:44:29] <NCommander> Mine are bang on the subscription code, and call accountent
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<br />[00:45:24] <mrcoolbp> mine are the policy manual and the store
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<br />[00:45:27] <Bytram> I'll work on a draft format for holding Board Meeting discussions on IRC.
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<br />[00:45:30] * mrcoolbp checks notes
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<br />[00:45:51] <matt_> NCommander, also to finish up your incorporation post?
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<br />[00:45:52] <mrcoolbp> I think that's it
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<br />[00:46:00] <NCommander> oh that too
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<br />[00:46:07] <NCommander> Beyond that, anything else, or can we close this ot?
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<br />[00:46:12] * NCommander really kinda needs to lie down :-/
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<br />[00:46:15] <matt_> All those in favor of adjourning?
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<br />[00:46:26] <Bytram> NCommander: I can help with the incorporation post
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<br />[00:46:28] <NCommander> aye
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<br />[00:46:29] <mrcoolbp> Aye!
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<br />[00:46:30] <matt_> Aye!
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<br />[00:46:32] <matt_> This Meeting of the Board of Directors of SoylentNews PBC stands adjourned!
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Revision as of 17:15, 17 July 2014

[23:08:02] <matt_> Ready to call to order today's meeting of the Board of Directors of SoylentNews PBC?
[23:08:09] <matt_> First, a reminder that until we adopt an amendment to the bylaws to allow board meetings on IRC, a conservative interpretation of our bylaws suggests that actions that we take here should be unanimous and followed up with an email confirmation to ensure that said actions are binding. Addressing this with an amendment to the bylaws is an item on the agenda for today's meeting.
[23:08:17] <matt_> On that note, so far, I only have 5 items for today's agenda:
[23:08:22] <matt_> 1. Review the minutes of the last meeting.
[23:08:26] <matt_> 2. Updates on progress towards financial stability (bank and payment-processor accounts, subscriptions, swag).
[23:08:30] <matt_> 3. Discuss remaining issues related to setting up the corporation (amending the bylaws to allow meetings on IRC, stock proposal, etc.).
[23:08:34] <matt_> 4. Any other business (community involvement in corporate governance, SN policies and procedures manual, including: staff appointment & authority, account and password management, individual team policy, policy on retaining records, etc.).
[23:08:37] <matt_> 5. Adjourn.
[23:08:41] <matt_> Any objections to this agenda or any items to add (remember that items can be added later at any point)?
[23:08:56] <NCommander> No objections here
[23:09:04] <Bytram> none here
[23:09:06] <mrcoolbp> no objections
[23:09:13] <matt_> Great! First up, Item 1: Review the minutes of the last meeting.
[23:09:17] <matt_> At the last meeting, the Board adopted 7 resolutions:
[23:09:22] <matt_> Resolved: The Certificate of Incorporation and Bylaws are hereby ratified in their current form.
[23:09:25] <matt_> Resolved: Michael Casadevall is the President of SoylentNews PBC.
[23:09:29] <matt_> Resolved: Michael Casadevall is the Chief Executive Officer of SoylentNews PBC.
[23:09:33] <matt_> Resolved: Ben Prentice is the Treasurer of SoylentNews PBC.
[23:09:41] <matt_> Resolved: Matt Angel is the Secretary of SoylentNews PBC.
[23:09:45] <matt_> Resolved: The Board authorizes opening a business checking account at Bank of America in the name of the Corporation.
[23:09:50] <matt_> Resolved: The Board authorizes opening a PayPal account in the name of the Corporation.
[23:09:54] <matt_> Several other items were discussed, but no other votes were taken.
[23:10:00] <matt_> The logs of the last meeting are available here: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[23:10:07] <matt_> Any comments or shall we move on to: Item 2: Updates on progress towards financial stability (bank and payment-processor accounts, subscriptions, swag)?
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[23:10:33] <xlefay> Are the non-voted on issues outlined specifically? Or just in the log itself?
[23:10:43] <matt_> just in the log at the moment.
[23:10:55] <NCommander> We probably need to define a standardized format of minutes
[23:10:56] <xlefay> A suggestion: It may be wise, to make a table with a list of resolved items and unresolved/not-voted-on items after this meeting.
[23:10:56] <Bytram> I have one thing
[23:11:11] <xlefay> NCommander, said it better than I did. :)
[23:11:12] <matt_> NCommander, i have a template for that :)
[23:11:13] <Bytram> was there any consideration given to a bank *other* than Bank of America
[23:11:27] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: yes
[23:11:30] <matt_> Bytram, a fair amount of consideration, yes.
[23:11:42] <Bytram> I personally have nothing against them, but wanted to ensure others were considered.
[23:11:49] <NCommander> there was quite a few reasons to go with BoA, and some against
[23:11:53] <Bytram> I'm good then, thanks!
[23:11:59] <xlefay> Are those considerations also outlined somewhere? Or also in the logs?
[23:12:01] <NCommander> BUt the pros outweighed the cons
[23:12:20] <matt_> xlefay, a number of the considerations are in the logs, several came up in irl meetings.
[23:12:20] <NCommander> xlefay, I think the pro/con didnt make it into the log fully, that was mostly RL meetings we had last month
[23:12:39] <Bytram> I did not see any discussion in the logs
[23:12:52] <xlefay> I realizes, there's a lot of "documentational" work here, perhaps, we should standardize such templates as well, even though it can be somewhat of a pain to document those things - they might be useful for future references?
[23:13:02] <NCommander> ^- that
[23:13:05] <matt_> Bytram, i think the logged discussion related mainly to the availability of branches in different locations.
[23:13:07] <xlefay> (from this point forward)
[23:13:25] <mattie_p> hey folks, sorry I'm late
[23:13:30] <mrcoolbp> that's okay
[23:13:38] <mrcoolbp> wb
[23:13:43] <mattie_p> thanks
[23:13:59] <Bytram> in light of the foregoing, I propose an agenda item for discussing a standard "format" for board meetings
[23:14:56] <matt_> added to Item 4.
[23:15:05] <matt_> Ok, getting back to the agenda:
[23:15:07] <xlefay> In addition a question, how much time has been allocated to this meeting? Has there been a predefined length or?
[23:15:13] <Bytram> matt_: thank-you.
[23:15:21] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: we did not alot a timeslot
[23:15:31] <matt_> xlefay, we were very self-disciplined last time, and kept it to 2 hours, despite having a lot to go over.
[23:15:44] <matt_> xlefay, i think that sounds like a reasonable maximum.
[23:15:59] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, thanks. In the future, we should also keep that in mind. So everyone can schedule accordingly.
[23:16:10] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: noted, thank you.
[23:16:12] <xlefay> I agree, anyway, please do go on. Don't want to hold things up.
[23:16:21] <matt_> Ok, back to Item 2: Updates on progress towards financial stability (bank and payment-processor accounts, subscriptions, swag).
[23:16:26] <Bytram> IIRC, our very *first* staff meetiong also lasted approximately two hours.
[23:16:31] <matt_> Since the last meeting, we opened a business checking account at Bank of America and a paypal account, and set them up to receive payments.
[23:16:37] <matt_> mrcoolbp and I have debit cards, which we can use to pay for hosting, etc., as soon as funds are available.
[23:17:04] <NCommander> I've gone through ALL the old receipts and compiled an initial set of books when I fired off to mrcoolbp
[23:17:19] <mrcoolbp> I can confirm all of that
[23:17:22] <NCommander> so we know roughly how deep the hole is, and who owns which parts of it
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[23:18:09] <xlefay> .voice matt_
[23:18:09] -!- mode/#staff [+v matt_] by juggler
[23:18:25] <mrcoolbp> ?
[23:18:32] <mrcoolbp> .voice matt_
[23:18:32] -!- mode/#staff [+v matt_] by juggler
[23:18:38] <mrcoolbp> .voice matt_
[23:18:38] -!- mode/#staff [+v matt_] by juggler
[23:18:43] <xlefay> .voice matt__
[23:18:43] -!- mode/#staff [+v matt__] by juggler
[23:18:45] <matt__> thanks
[23:18:48] <matt__> Comments? Otherwise we can move on to: subscriptions: NCommander, were you and paulej72 able to make any headway on the backend?
[23:19:03] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: do you have a rough summary of where we stand financially?
[23:19:08] <mrcoolbp> yes
[23:19:14] <NCommander> .op
[23:19:14] -!- mode/#staff [+o NCommander] by juggler
[23:19:15] -!- mode/#staff [-m #staff] by NCommander
[23:19:21] <NCommander> to hell with that
[23:19:28] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I'll let you take those two questions
[23:19:30] <paulej72> I was busy with the irc migration and did not work on that
[23:20:00] <NCommander> Real life kinda derailed for me, miniminal progress
[23:20:17] <mrcoolbp> okay so no progress on the Subscription Code
[23:20:23] <NCommander> Sorry :-/
[23:20:25] <matt__> ok, is that still a top priority?
[23:20:27] <mrcoolbp> Ncommander: summary of financials?
[23:20:36] <NCommander> Give me a sec, let me fire up gnucash
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[23:21:03] <NCommander> ... still firing up gnucash
[23:21:18] <NCommander> So, as of today
[23:21:38] <NCommander> We're $3,217.58 USD in the hole.
[23:21:46] <mrcoolbp> that's what I have as well
[23:21:53] <matt__> that sounds about right.
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[23:22:25] <NCommander> Dividing on money in v. money out, most of that is owed to Matt, at a toal value of $2,484, and $833 to me.
[23:22:31] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: are subscriptions a top business priority right now?
[23:22:45] <NCommander> I believe so, they are, as they say, low hanging fruit
[23:22:52] <mrcoolbp> great
[23:23:05] <matt_> Ok, next is swag: mrcoolbp, how goes it?
[23:23:09] <mrcoolbp> okay
[23:23:23] <mrcoolbp> So we have a mock-up of the store setup
[23:23:34] <mrcoolbp> techincally things can be purchased right now
[23:23:49] <mrcoolbp> But there was a small hangup on the Tagline "...is people"
[23:23:59] <matt_> mrcoolbp, do you want to add additional designs/items before going live?
[23:23:59] <mrcoolbp> I wanted to resolve that here before we move forward
[23:24:07] <matt_> ok, good point.
[23:24:14] <xlefay> Could we get a preview/screenshot of said mock-up? So we can visualize it?
[23:24:22] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: sec
[23:24:27] <mrcoolbp> matt_: at the very least I'd like to spend a few hours on setting it up proper
[23:24:37] <mrcoolbp> especially after we resolve the tagline issue
[23:24:47] <mrcoolbp> (I think that's it for my update)
[23:24:55] * mrcoolbp goes to get the screenshot
[23:25:04] <xlefay> And what kind of "swag" are we selling? Like, t-shirts, hats, usb sticks?
[23:25:11] <Bytram> Given the pent-up demand, I would prefer a couple extra day's time to get it solid before opening us up for potential troubles
[23:25:12] <xlefay> planning on selling*
[23:25:20] <paulej72> also I suggested we needed to add the url to the design as well
[23:25:25] <mrcoolbp> ^^^
[23:25:36] <matt_> so, my opinion of the tagline issue is: 1. it seems very unlikely that anyone will complain, 2. if we do get a letter or communication from someone who is unhappy with us using the tagline, we can probably work something out with them, and 3. since we aren't warehousing huge amounts of merchandise, it wouldn't be too difficult to change it later.
[23:25:39] <xlefay> Perhaps, a QR code or something similar would also be benefitial considering most people have a smart phone?
[23:26:27] <mrcoolbp> Screenshot of the 1st draft of the store: http://imgur.com
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[23:26:44] <xlefay> Where's the bacon++?! (hah)
[23:26:53] <mrcoolbp> !todo bacon++ items
[23:26:53] <Bender> todo item 22 added
[23:27:01] <matt_> mrcoolbp, what are your thoughts on the tagline issue?
[23:27:06] <NCommander> so we proceed w/ the tagline?
[23:27:09] <NCommander> as is?
[23:27:21] <mrcoolbp> matt_ I'm not well versed on the issue, I'll defer to your understanding of it
[23:27:25] <xlefay> I think that looks amazing. Are there also plans on selling USB-sticks with SoylentNews stamped logo's? As for the tagline, SoylentNews .. is people!
[23:27:26] <Bytram> Is this the proper time/place to discuss the *particulars* of the SWAG items? I'd suggest wse just recognize the need for the discussion, and if need be, have someone volunteer to lead the discussion and report back.
[23:27:40] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: I have it noted, I just haven't gotten there
[23:27:59] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: the tagline issue yes
[23:28:06] <mrcoolbp> which items we are offering no
[23:28:24] <xlefay> Bytram, I concur. That would seem like the most logical course of action, to set up a task force for it, and have the taskforce deal with the selection of items in the store.
[23:28:29] <matt_> Bytram, the board just needs to make sure that we don't decide on something that places the corporation at unnecessary legal risk.
[23:28:29] <Bytram> I fully agree. thanks. What is the potential issue with the tag line?
[23:28:42] <mrcoolbp> matt_, NCommander: I will get to fleshing out the store ASAP, it will be on the top of my todo
[23:28:47] <mattie_p> Bytram: probably copyright or trademark infringement from the movie
[23:28:54] <matt_> mrcoolbp, sounds good!
[23:29:05] <matt_> Next, Item 3: Discuss remaining issues related to setting up the corporation (amending the bylaws to allow meetings on IRC, stock proposal, etc.).
[23:29:06] <NCommander> mattie_p, that was my concern
[23:29:17] <matt_> unless there are any remaining swag issues...
[23:29:22] <Bytram> yes
[23:29:41] <Bytram> are we self-hosting the swag store; shipping, billing and all that?
[23:29:41] <mrcoolbp> = /
[23:30:03] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: negative, we went with a 3rd party solution due to resource constraints
[23:30:03] <matt_> Bytram, the swag store is on CafePress.
[23:30:21] <Bytram> do they get a cut of the sales, and if so, how much?
[23:30:27] <xlefay> Bytram, matt_, perhaps, a task force for dealing with those items would be the best? Then, that taskforce can make recommendations to the staff and/or board?
[23:30:29] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: self-hosting and shipping ourselves would take a huge amount of work
[23:30:37] <matt_> Bytram, oh, that's a really good point. We need to decide on the markup.
[23:30:49] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: of course they do, they set a base price and we set markup
[23:30:50] <xlefay> Regarding, whether we oursource things, what items are in the store, etc.
[23:31:03] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: I *fully* agree on self-hosting being work-intensive.
[23:31:06] <matt_> xlefay, that is a good idea too. my understanding is that mrcoolbp is currently leading that task force.
[23:31:17] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: I would love a taskforce on the specifics, I can make the rest happen
[23:31:28] <mrcoolbp> any volunteers?
[23:31:37] <xlefay> matt_, I see. Than I suggest, we wait till mrcoolbp and his team (which he'll assemble) make a recommendation.
[23:31:48] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, count me in. I would be delighted to help out!
[23:32:10] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: I'll send you an email, and send one out to staff soliciting other volunteers
[23:32:14] <matt_> xlefay, that sounds good to me. shall we aim for about a week from today? does that sound reasonable?
[23:32:26] <mrcoolbp> okay, any other swag issues? NCommander: are we okay with going WITH the tagline for now?
[23:32:45] <xlefay> matt_, I believe that question is supposed to be targeted to mrcoolbp, since it's his taskforce :-)
[23:32:50] <mrcoolbp> matt_ we can have a store ready-to-go in 7 days, yes
[23:32:51] <Bytram> I have a question on how the task force will report back... e-mail to staff@soylentnews.org? Post it on the wiki? How?
[23:33:02] <NCommander> Ulitmately, I'm worried about us getting sued out of existence for it since we'd be directly profitting
[23:33:12] <NCommander> On the other hand, Soylent (food product) exists and hasn't been sued so ...
[23:33:12] <mattie_p> re Tagline: I'm searching the USPTO and there are two live trademarks on soylent, one for the food and one by WB
[23:33:21] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: I'll make the final decisions availalble on the staff list
[23:33:35] <xlefay> Bytram / mrcoolbp , I suggest, we make one or multiple wiki pages, in which we'll disclose our findings and our recommendations. And then send that link to the staff.
[23:33:39] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: that's great! thank you very much!
[23:33:52] <NCommander> so, assuming we accept this as acceptable risk
[23:33:56] <NCommander> I don't have an issue with it
[23:34:10] <matt_> ok. ready to move on?
[23:34:17] <mrcoolbp> I am
[23:34:17] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, that'll allow us to, also be open regarding our process and the particular details. Thoughts?
[23:34:21] <Bytram> was there a vote here?
[23:34:28] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: great, let's discuss that later
[23:34:37] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, agreed. :)
[23:34:39] <NCommander> Bytram, vote on what?
[23:34:39] <mrcoolbp> = )
[23:34:46] <xlefay> moving on then ;-)
[23:34:57] <matt_> <+matt_> Next, Item 3: Discuss remaining issues related to setting up the corporation (amending the bylaws to allow meetings on IRC, stock proposal, etc.).
[23:35:04] <matt_> First, amending our Bylaws to allow meetings on IRC. (For those not here for the last meeting, our Bylaws may or may not allow meetings on IRC, but the Board can still take "action without a meeting" as long as it is unanimous and in writing.)
[23:35:05] <mrcoolbp> (matt_ Bytram is wondering if that issue required a vote)
[23:35:16] <Bytram> we have agenda items, and it would be good to note whenever we finish an item, what the conclusion/result was
[23:35:35] <matt_> mrcoolbp, oh. Bytram, to be safe the board should authorize the opening of the store, when it is ready.
[23:35:45] <Bytram> EXACTLY!
[23:35:56] <mrcoolbp> matt_ that works for me (Bytram we aren't "ready" yet)
[23:35:57] <matt_> Bytram, yes. so far, we have just been noting when we finish agenda items that require a vote.
[23:36:34] <matt_> Bytram, one of the benefits of a 3-person board is that we don't have to worry too much about sticking to the details of parlimentary procedure :)
[23:36:38] <Bytram> matt_: I have been at too many meetings where there has been lots of disussion
[23:36:43] <xlefay> matt_, regarding item #3, I think allowing meetings on IRC is fine, but I do believe we should have a format for doing so. It can get quite complicated, multiple conversations running at once, etc. So we'll need to prevent that.
[23:36:59] <Bytram> and when the meeting was over, it was unclear who was doing what by when
[23:37:05] <xlefay> (e.g. focussing on one thing at a time)
[23:37:18] <matt_> xlefay, yes. however we decide to do it, i strongly suggest that we confirm any decisions made at a meeting immediately after the meeting via email.
[23:37:28] <mrcoolbp> ^^
[23:37:34] <NCommander> xlefay, we need to fix the bylaws to formally allow it, kinda an oversight >.<;
[23:37:54] <matt_> so i was hoping that we could vote on that amendment at this meeting.
[23:38:00] <matt_> Shall we take a vote on amending the Bylaws to allow meetings on IRC?
[23:38:03] <xlefay> NCommander, I understand. I'm just suggesting we discuss what kind of format before we do so.
[23:38:26] <xlefay> Otherwise, we'll allow it, but there's no proper format to do so, and things can get messy down the road, which isn't what we want.
[23:38:55] <NCommander> point taken
[23:39:22] <matt_> Any objections to voting on the issue of whether to allow board meetings on irc?
[23:39:24] <Bytram> these are the corporate bylaws that I reviewed a few weeks ago?
[23:39:30] <matt_> Bytram, correct.
[23:39:38] <Bytram> okay, thanks.
[23:39:47] <xlefay> Just out of curiosity. This is already a board meeting, and yet, it isn't formally allowed by, the bylaws? That seems rather odd, lol
[23:40:00] <matt_> exactly why i suggest we vote to fix that =)
[23:40:07] <mrcoolbp> matt_ no objections, can we add discussion of meeting format as another topic?
[23:40:17] <xlefay> matt_, the only objection I have is, that we first define a format to have such meetings, when we have that, I see no objection, not from me at least.
[23:40:31] <matt_> xlefay, our bylaws allow "action without a meeting", by unanimous written consent of the board.
[23:40:36] <mrcoolbp> ^^^
[23:40:36] <xlefay> Then again, I'm not even sure if I'm on the board as it stands so.... rather confused about that ;)
[23:40:45] <xlefay> I see, that's cool.
[23:40:49] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: you are not currently on the board
[23:40:54] <Bytram> so there are two questions here... (1) whether or not to allow board meetings on IRC, (2) what changes are required in the bylaws to support said change
[23:40:55] <xlefay> ah I see
[23:41:03] <matt_> mrcoolbp, added to Item 4.
[23:41:05] <mrcoolbp> thanhks
[23:41:42] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: that would be the change
[23:41:55] <matt_> ok, so i have prepared a question for the vote. if we are ready to vote, i can pose the question :)
[23:42:01] <mrcoolbp> NComander: shall we vote on item #3?
[23:42:19] <NCommander> lets have the question specifically written up then vote
[23:42:28] <xlefay> (just one question, as this is a board meeting, or at least, sort-of, does staff opinion/vote weigh in or?)
[23:42:41] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: that's why you are here
[23:43:09] <matt_> NCommander, i have a question written up, which I can present if you are ready to vote on it. Of course, you can vote "No" if you don't like the wording...
[23:43:13] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, cool, just making sure. The "board meeting" subject in the e-mail implied it was for the board, but since I'm not on said board, I got a tiny bit confused.
[23:43:14] <mattie_p> Query: If the board isn't sure it can have meetings on IRC: will a vote taken in an IRC meeting be valid?
[23:43:16] <mrcoolbp> you don't get to vote (unless you are on the board) but we are hearing opinions for sure
[23:43:19] <Bytram> from my reading of the bylaws, the community is invited to attend and to voice their views so that the board can make an informed decision.
[23:43:32] <matt_> xlefay, staff opinion certainly weighs in, but only the current Directors may vote by law.
[23:43:39] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p "action without a meeting"
[23:43:51] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p technically this "isn't a board meeting"
[23:43:56] <mrcoolbp> as I understand it
[23:44:10] <matt_> mattie_p, from the logs of our last meeting:
[23:44:11] <matt_> First: Our simple bylaws do not specifically allow board meetings over irc :( and we had less than the required 2 business days notice of this meeting :( but that's ok because we can take action without a meeting according to Article III, Section 11: "Action without a Meeting" :)
[23:44:17] <matt_> This works as long as "all members of the Board of Directors [...] consent thereto in writing or by electronic transmission, and such writings or electronic transmissions are filed with the records of the meetings of the Board of Directors", because "Such consent shall be treated as a valid and proper vote of the Board of Directors or committee thereof for all purposes".
[23:44:21] <matt_> So, long-story short, any decisions that we make here need to be unanimous to be binding. We can change this by voting to amend the bylaws during this meeting, if you want, or we can leave that for later.
[23:44:39] <mattie_p> mrcoolbp, matt_ thanks for the clarification
[23:44:46] <mrcoolbp> np
[23:44:58] <Bytram> thanks for the clarification
[23:45:10] <mrcoolbp> okay: move to vote on #3
[23:45:12] <xlefay> matt_, thanks for the full explanation & clarification. It's much appreciated. Anyway, I suggest we just move to the vote.
[23:45:26] <matt_> cool. NCommander, ready?
[23:45:44] <NCommander> Call the vote
[23:45:49] <matt_> All those in favor of amending the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow meetings of the Board of Directors to be held on IRC, such that any votes taken at such a meeting shall be confirmed after said meeting by email to the Secretary of the Corporation to be binding and effective, (or, in the event that such a meeting would be unlawful, to amend the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow the Board of Directors to take action without a meeting, such that
[23:45:53] <matt_> Aye!
[23:46:02] <NCommander> aye
[23:46:02] * mrcoolbp reads
[23:46:05] <NCommander> wait
[23:46:08] <NCommander> where the rest of it
[23:46:14] <mrcoolbp> such that...
[23:46:14] <NCommander> "such that ..."
[23:46:25] <matt_> please stand by :)
[23:46:57] <matt_> it was too long :(
[23:47:06] <matt_> ok, a 2-parter. please stand by :)
[23:47:15] <xlefay> I cannot, as a staff member, agree with such an amendment unless, a format is first declared. So that, meetings on IRC will be properly structured and be sound. That's, my take on it anyway...
[23:47:26] <xlefay> but, feel free to ignore that hehe :P
[23:47:43] <NCommander> xlefay, the format doesn't need to be locked in the bylaws
[23:47:46] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: a discussion on the format is forthcoming already
[23:48:00] <xlefay> NCommander, true, but it should be declared (say, on the wiki)
[23:48:05] <matt_> All those in favor of amending the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow meetings of the Board of Directors to be held on IRC, such that any votes taken at such a meeting shall be confirmed after said meeting by email to the Secretary of the Corporation to be binding and effective, (or, in the event that such a meeting would be unlawful, to amend the Bylaws of the
[23:48:09] <matt_> Corporation to allow the Board of Directors to take action without a meeting, such that any such action shall require the vote of a majority of the Directors then in office, confirmed by email to the Secretary of the Corporation, to be binding and effective):
[23:48:29] <NCommander> xlefay, and it will be, but this is just fixig the bylaws so we can formally do it on IRC at all
[23:48:52] <Bytram> matt_: question....
[23:49:00] <NCommander> matt_, still seems bifuricated, stuff it on pastebin.com or something
[23:49:10] <NCommander> or maybe xchat being stupid
[23:49:11] <Bytram> are we over-specifying by mentioning "IRC"...
[23:49:13] <NCommander> I see the whole thing now
[23:49:21] <matt_> Bytram, it is complete.
[23:49:24] <mrcoolbp> bytram: no
[23:49:37] <matt_> i meant NCommander :)
[23:49:54] <paulej72> does this till have the x days stuff in effect
[23:50:12] <matt_> Bytram, what other means would you envision wanting to use for a board meeting?
[23:50:22] <xlefay> NCommander, mrcoolbp, I have full faith in the board and the staff, but.. this is binding so I generally feel safer if something is first declared/written up/proposed before it is decided, just to avoid misunderstandings and the likes later on. This is just me "playing it safe", feel free to disregard it
[23:50:34] <matt_> paulej72, the final text will have to be approved via email.
[23:50:42] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: it's been duly noted
[23:50:52] <mrcoolbp> I'm gonna vote:
[23:50:54] <mrcoolbp> Aye!
[23:51:03] <Bytram> so, IRC and *ONLY* IRC? No other real-time chat-type system would be permitted. i don't know of any specific alternative off-hand, but it is an *instance* of a *class* of communication tools.
[23:51:05] <matt_> xlefay, paulej72, the issue is that normally, this would be attached to an email or presented at a meatspace meeting, etc.
[23:51:16] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: we can always ammend later.
[23:51:43] <NCommander> Bytram, this is for regular BoD meetings, special meetings can be in any formal, meatspace or virtual space
[23:51:54] <matt_> Bytram, if we wanted to use an alternative means, it would be easy to amend the bylaws again.
[23:51:56] <xlefay> Also, I suggest, that, those decisions are only binding if they are, indeed, properly documented.
[23:52:07] <Bytram> NCommander: like a conference call? If so, I'm good then.
[23:52:10] <NCommander> and if we're going to move those somewhere else, we should have to vote on it
[23:52:17] <xlefay> (with of course, those predefined templates)
[23:52:18] <Bytram> agreed.
[23:52:22] <NCommander> Bytram, that's already explicately allowed by the current bylaws
[23:52:28] <matt_> xlefay, thus the "shall be confirmed after said meeting by email" line.
[23:53:09] <xlefay> matt_, I meant, on a public forum - since, we are for the public benefit? Say, the wiki? Of course, I understand if there are exceptions to certain decisions.
[23:53:18] <Bytram> NCommander: yes, I'd forgotten about that temporarily. thanks for the reminder. I'm good.
[23:53:24] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: please bring that up at the format discussion
[23:53:47] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, will do. Just figured I'd lay it out there, for possible amendment into the amendment itself.
[23:53:58] <matt_> xlefay, we are posting the minutes on the wiki. Once we have an actual official meeting (if we amend the bylaws to allow such a thing over IRC, for example), the minutes will be placed on the wiki in a standard format, i would think.
[23:54:28] <NCommander> anyway, Aye
[23:54:34] <mrcoolbp> Aye
[23:54:45] <xlefay> matt_, that's good - but shouldn't that be a requirement, for the sake of completeness? (forgive my questions, just ensuring I fully understand)
[23:54:50] <matt_> hah! to the question 50 lines up :D let me restate it:
[23:54:59] <matt_> All those in favor of amending the Bylaws of the Corporation to allow meetings of the Board of Directors to be held on IRC, such that any votes taken at such a meeting shall be confirmed after said meeting by email to the Secretary of the Corporation to be binding and effective, (or, in the event that such a meeting would be unlawful, to amend the Bylaws of the
[23:55:04] <matt_> Corporation to allow the Board of Directors to take action without a meeting, such that any such action shall require the vote of a majority of the Directors then in office, confirmed by email to the Secretary of the Corporation, to be binding and effective):
[23:55:09] <mrcoolbp> Aye!
[23:55:11] <matt_> Aye!
[23:55:18] <NCommander> Aye
[23:55:20] <matt_> Resolved.
[23:55:25] <matt_> Great! I will circulate the text of the amendment for final approval once I have it ready.
[23:55:41] <NCommander> yay
[23:55:44] <matt_> Now, on to the proposal for issuing common stock to NCommander and myself to facilitate the transfer of assets from us to the Corporation without placing the Corporation in debt.
[23:55:53] <matt_> Did you guys have a chance to review the document that I sent? If so, what did you think of it? Would you like me to recap the purpose/benefits of this proposal?
[23:56:05] <mrcoolbp> yes please
[23:56:14] <matt_> To recap, this agreement accomplishes the following:
[23:56:18] <NCommander> briefly, not sure, yes
[23:56:19] <matt_> 1. SoylentNews acquires all rights to its own accounts, data, domains, etc., which are currently owned by Michael and myself.
[23:56:24] <matt_> 2. SoylentNews gets long-term liabilities for start-up costs off of its books (i.e., SN is not in debt to anyone). If, once SN is financially stable, we wanted to reimburse start-up costs, the board could authorize the payment of a dividend, etc.
[23:56:27] <matt_> 3. The agreement provides a mechanism for us to contribute some cash directly to SN, which would allow SN to start directly paying for hosting, etc., thus minimizing accumulation of personal expenses for which we would later want to seek reimbursement. If this is of interest, we should discuss the amounts of cash that we would want to contribute. I included $700 for me as an example in the attachment.
[23:56:32] <matt_> 4. Tax implications are minimal because there are no restrictions that will lapse (e.g., vesting). If we wanted to include a vesting schedule, we would include that in a separate shareholder's agreement, which would be a bit more complicated (although I do have a template). This would then likely require the 83(b) election that I mentioned in our last meeting, unless we decided to impose vesting restrictions later.
[23:56:37] <matt_> 5. If the same number of shares are issued to Michael and to me, then there will be no change in authority relative to the current situation with a 3-member board that includes the two of us. For example, it would not be possible to accidentally sell the corporation to DICE, as both Michael and I would have to agree to such a sale :)
[23:56:47] <matt_> i think that's pretty much it. =)
[23:57:30] <xlefay> I think that speaks for itself.. as a non-board member, let me just say "aye"
[23:57:35] <mrcoolbp> heh
[23:57:50] <Bytram> matt_: is this *common* stock or *capital* stock?
[23:57:55] <mrcoolbp> common
[23:57:59] <matt_> Bytram, those two are the same thing for us :)
[23:58:06] <mrcoolbp> oh
[23:58:17] <matt_> Bytram, our Certificate of Incorporation doesn't allow us to issue Preferred Stock or any other kind of capital stock.
[23:58:31] <Bytram> ahhhhh, got it now. thanks!
[23:58:37] <NCommander> I admit I'm still concerned about possible tax stuff on both a personal and corporate level
[23:59:13] <NCommander> I'm willing to investigate further (I needo to talk w/ my accountant), and perhaps have things lined up for a formal yay/nay next meeting
[23:59:20] <matt_> NCommander, the key with this is: if we want to do it, we should do it before the stock has any value, otherwise it gets more complicated.
[23:59:31] <mrcoolbp> = /
[23:59:33] <NCommander> Well, that's going to take awhile
[23:59:41] <NCommander> with making sure we have proper provisions in allowing the PBC to buy itself back
[23:59:51] <mrcoolbp> yes, agreed
[00:00:27] <mrcoolbp> NCommander, matt_: it's true that we don't currently have a revenue stream, but we do have plans in place to start that going
[00:00:31] <Bytram> NCommander: I'm not so sure about how long it would take; between subscriptions and swag, we could be in the black in a few weeks.
[00:00:52] <matt_> normally this type of agreement is done within 2-3 days of incorporation :/
[00:01:05] <Bytram> NOTE: *could* not necessarily *will*.
[00:01:12] <matt_> to eliminate any possibility that the stock has increased in value between incorporation and issuance.
[00:01:27] <matt_> NCommander, when can you talk with your accountant?
[00:01:53] <NCommander> probably this week
[00:02:27] <matt_> ok. i know that you're planning a trip soon, do you think it would be realistic to try to sqeeze in a meeting before then, at least on this issue?
[00:02:45] <NCommander> My concern with issuing stock of any kind is it means that part of the corporation isn't owned by itself. Lets say a year from now, we're in the black you have got stock though for the site
[00:03:07] <NCommander> And then hit a personal issue like bankruptecy and sell assets to a third part :-P
[00:03:08] <Bytram> can the board agree now to have the corporation issue stock, contingent on NCommander's discussion with his accountant and acceptance of it?
[00:03:27] <matt_> NCommander, oh, this is a key point. The Board of Directors has to approve all transfers of stock.
[00:03:28] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: I don't beleive they can be sold to a third party
[00:03:34] <mrcoolbp> ah that
[00:03:37] <matt_> NCommander, so you're not allowed to sell it without board approval.
[00:03:43] <matt_> that's in our bylaws.
[00:03:58] <NCommander> ALright
[00:04:15] <NCommander> I'm willing to approve a tentative approval to make sure I'm not upsetting a legal mess
[00:04:29] * NCommander hopes that made sense
[00:04:31] <matt_> approve a tentative approval :?
[00:04:32] <paulej72> so what happens if someone does sell it. is the stock void?
[00:04:43] <matt_> paulej72, the sale is null and void.
[00:04:50] <paulej72> ok
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[00:05:08] <NCommander> matt_, basically, make it hinge on me talking taxes w/ my personal accountent, and if he doesn't see any issues for my person issue, ACK
[00:05:25] <juggs> could a majority of board members cause the bylaw that forbids the sale of stock to be removed?
[00:05:33] <matt_> ok. i can adjust my pre-prepared voting language to that effect.
[00:05:43] <matt_> juggs, yes.
[00:05:45] <NCommander> juggs, yes
[00:05:46] <mrcoolbp> juggs: yes
[00:05:55] <NCommander> wow, echo
[00:06:03] <juggs> ha
[00:06:07] <juggs> I hear ya!
[00:06:27] <matt_> ok, please stand by for a vote. of course, let me know if you have any questions/issues with the following language.
[00:06:34] <matt_> this is a long one :)
[00:06:45] <matt_> All those in favor of authorizing the officers of the Corporation to sell and issue 50,000 shares of the Corporation's Common Stock to Michael Casadevall at a purchase price of $0.10 per share, payable in cash, or by any other form of consideration permitted by applicable law, including the contribution of tangible property, and authorizing the officers of the Corporation to sell and issue 50,000 shares of the Corporation's Common Stock to Matt Ang
[00:06:49] <matt_> payable in cash, or by any other form of consideration permitted by applicable law, including the contribution of tangible property, and resolving that the form of the Founder's Common Stock Subscription Agreement be, and hereby is, adopted, ratified and approved, and that the sale and issuance of Common Stock to each of the above named persons shall be conditioned upon the receipt by the Corporation of (a) the purchase price for said stock and (b)
[00:06:53] <matt_> Agreement, including executed copies of any and all documents attached thereto as exhibits, and that the officers of the Corporation be, and each of them hereby is, authorized and directed, for and on behalf of the Corporation, to take such further action and execute such additional documents as each may deem necessary or appropriate to carry out the purposes of this resolution:
[00:07:44] <mrcoolbp> matt_ are we getting message truncation again?
[00:07:49] <mattie_p> looks like you missed a few words in there
[00:07:55] <matt_> mrcoolbp, i think that came through.
[00:08:04] <matt_> mattie_p, let me triple-check.
[00:08:05] <mattie_p> matt_: your name didn't
[00:08:09] <Bytram> first paragraph, your name is incomplete
[00:08:25] <Bytram> matt_: ^^
[00:08:28] <paulej72> flood control
[00:08:39] <matt_> *sigh
[00:08:40] * juggs quickly files a change of name to Matt Ang
[00:08:46] <juggs> :D
[00:08:49] <matt_> ok, trying again :)
[00:09:10] <paulej72> paste in smaller chunks
[00:09:16] <NCommander> matt_, pastebin.com or something similar is your friend
[00:09:19] <paulej72> submit between each
[00:09:37] <matt_> All those in favor of authorizing the officers of the Corporation to sell and issue 50,000 shares of the Corporation's Common Stock to Michael Casadevall at a purchase price of $0.10 per share, payable in cash, or by any other form of consideration permitted by applicable law, including the
[00:09:44] <matt_> contribution of tangible property, and authorizing the officers of the Corporation to sell and issue 50,000 shares of the Corporation's Common Stock to Matt Angel at a purchase price of $0.10 per share,
[00:09:50] <matt_> payable in cash, or by any other form of consideration permitted by applicable law, including the contribution of tangible property, and resolving that the form of the Founder's Common Stock Subscription Agreement be, and hereby is, adopted, ratified and approved, and that the sale and
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[00:11:35] <matt__> Agreement, including executed copies of any and all documents attached thereto as exhibits, and that the officers of the Corporation be, and each of them hereby is, authorized and directed, for and on behalf of the Corporation, to take such further action and execute such additional
[00:11:40] <matt__> documents as each may deem necessary or appropriate to carry out the purposes of this resolution:
[00:12:15] <paulej72> .op
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[00:12:34] <matt__> paulej72, i was flood-controlled :(
[00:12:43] <NCommander> matt_, pastebin is your friend, seriously
[00:12:46] <xlefay> matt__, hence why pastebin is suggested :)
[00:12:47] <NCommander> Its easier to read
[00:12:48] <juggs> missed a bit again around here "issuance of Common Stock to each of the above named persons shall be conditioned upon the receipt by the Corporation of (a) the purchase price for said stock and (b)"
[00:12:49] <mrcoolbp> .voice matt__
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[00:13:00] <matt__> NCommander, ack. ok, pastebin next time, definitely!
[00:13:29] <matt__> anyway, i think everyone has the jist of it :)
[00:13:32] <NCommander> matt__, 50k shared is > what either of us owe though
[00:13:36] <NCommander> *shares
[00:13:38] <matt__> so, we can just do the final text over email.
[00:13:49] <matt__> NCommander, it's at $0.10 per share.
[00:14:01] <NCommander> 50000*.10 == 5000
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[00:14:05] <juggs> $5K each?
[00:14:07] <matt__> NCommander, we have to value our "Tangible and Intangible Property" in a way that the IRS, etc. will accept.
[00:14:11] <mattie_p> up to 50,000 shares are authorized to be sold, don't have to sell them all
[00:14:19] <NCommander> oh
[00:14:19] <matt__> so, for example, your contributions to date add up to a total value of $5000.
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[00:15:26] <mrcoolbp> .voice matt_
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[00:15:48] <matt_> Ok, so the last remaining step to get the Corporation officially set up is: I will collect all of the resolutions adopted by the board so far, including language for amending the Bylaws to allow meetings on IRC, and put together a "Unanimous Written Consent of the Board of Directors" document, which the three of us should sign.
[00:16:18] <mrcoolbp> okay
[00:16:24] <NCommander> k
[00:16:26] <matt_> Finally, Item 4: Any other business (community involvement in corporate governance, SN policies and procedures manual, including: staff appointment & authority, account and password management, individual team policy, policy on retaining records, etc.).
[00:16:37] <matt_> NCommander, how's your incorporation post going?
[00:17:20] <matt_> i ask, because i think that it would be nice to post the bylaws, etc. on the wiki, so that everyone can see them...
[00:17:50] <Bytram> matt_: point of order? was there a vote taken on the issuance of common stock?
[00:17:58] <mrcoolbp> negative
[00:18:10] <matt_> Bytram, due to technical issues, we will go with an email vote for that one, i think.
[00:18:22] <NCommander> matt_, its going very slowly
[00:18:30] <NCommander> I got about a 1/3rd through it
[00:18:30] <matt_> Bytram, since it didn't seem that there were any questions (unless i missed any).
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[00:18:55] <Bytram> matt_: okay, thanks.
[00:19:42] <matt_> NCommander, also at the last meeting we had mentioned that your post would be a geat place to ask the community specifically how they would like to be involved in the governance of SoylentNews PBC.
[00:20:12] <mrcoolbp> yes, please throw that in there somewhere
[00:20:17] <matt_> let us know if you need any help with that, ok?
[00:20:32] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, its in there
[00:20:35] <NCommander> alright
[00:20:36] <mrcoolbp> great
[00:20:37] <matt_> Next is the SN policies and procedures manual.
[00:20:38] <NCommander> *already
[00:20:43] <mrcoolbp> On the Policy manual I have an update
[00:21:14] <mrcoolbp> Janrinok and I started drafting an SN Policy manual based on conversations with LaminatorX and matt_
[00:21:35] <mrcoolbp> once we have something readable, the plan is to circulate on the staff list for suggestions and criticisms
[00:22:08] <mrcoolbp> matt_ can you elaborate on "staff appointment & authority
[00:22:10] <mrcoolbp> ?
[00:22:43] <matt_> mrcoolbp, actually, i think that you probably already have that in there. basically, how does someone become "staff", and what authority do staff have.
[00:22:59] <mrcoolbp> oh, part of the policy manual got it
[00:23:00] <mrcoolbp> okay
[00:23:03] <mrcoolbp> account and password management: We have done a decent job of duplicating privledges and passwords on various accounts
[00:23:15] <mrcoolbp> but I think we need to do a once over on each account
[00:23:28] <mrcoolbp> I can work with paulej72 on making sure that is done
[00:23:43] <mrcoolbp> I think 3 people should be able to access each system
[00:24:09] <mrcoolbp> but we had discussed locking the keys in a container and needing mulitple people to unlock (food for thought)
[00:24:30] <matt_> nice. it sounds like you have a good grip on the issue. the question of SN's policy on retaining records came up recently, as well.
[00:24:35] <paulej72> would like it to be 3 qualified people, but we will tak what we can get
[00:24:39] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: do we have *one* place which itemizes *all* the (computer) accounts we have? Each system (e.g. Boron), service, DNS entries, *everything*?
[00:24:42] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: well said
[00:24:53] <mrcoolbp> Bytram, not compiled, I'll note that
[00:25:12] <Bytram> great! thank you.
[00:25:27] <xlefay> We can certainly get records from LDAP, as for local accounts - that'll require some inventorisation.
[00:25:28] <Bytram> might check with xlefay who has a pretty good list from setting up icinga, too.
[00:25:33] <mrcoolbp> matt_ that's all I have for now on that item, is now a good time to bring up a point from a staff memeber who couldn't make it?
[00:25:48] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: noted, thank you!
[00:26:10] <matt_> mrcoolbp, yes! we have reached the end of the agenda, so let's open the floor.
[00:26:22] <mrcoolbp> okay
[00:26:31] <mrcoolbp> <+mechanicjay> I'm wondering about regular meetings, their frequency and I'd like to see 1 weeks notice before future meetings. While that wont' be an idea time, it does give folks a chance to arrange their schedules accordingly.
[00:26:31] <mrcoolbp> <+mechanicjay> Also, now that incorporation has started, what are the responsibilities of regular old staff folks. Does the relationship between a volunteer staff person and the corporation get formalized at some point?
[00:26:34] * juggs falls into the shark pool beneath the now open floor!
[00:26:51] <mrcoolbp> idea = ideal I think
[00:27:18] <mrcoolbp> the second one I'll add to my SN policy manual draft
[00:27:38] <mrcoolbp> I have "a template for that"
[00:27:41] * mrcoolbp winks at matt)
[00:27:43] <matt_> mrcoolbp, yes, the second one sounds like it would be perfect for the policy draft.
[00:27:45] <matt_> =)
[00:28:14] <mrcoolbp> matt_ is one week notice a good goal to shoot for?
[00:28:29] <matt_> mrcoolbp, as for the first one, it's also related to the policy draft, as it should be made clear that the board meetings are different than the staff meetings, i think.
[00:28:32] * mrcoolbp notes 2 days is all that is required
[00:28:52] <mrcoolbp> matt_ if you want I can add a distiction to the manual
[00:29:03] <matt_> mrcoolbp, this also gets to the issue of electing additional directors, which we can do at any time.
[00:29:11] <matt_> mrcoolbp, yes please.
[00:29:13] <mrcoolbp> ah yes, nice segway
[00:29:17] <mrcoolbp> matt_ noted
[00:29:37] <matt_> also, i forgot one last item that was added to the agenda: discuss a standard format for board meetings
[00:29:50] <mrcoolbp> okay, so let's take those one at a time
[00:30:13] <mrcoolbp> first, are there any board positions that we feel should be fulfilled?
[00:30:24] <mrcoolbp> matt_ could you recap the common unfilled positions?
[00:30:33] <xlefay> oops, a bit too late, but... Additionally, when meetings are made in advance, people can easily - suggest topics/items ahead of time.
[00:30:47] <matt_> mrcoolbp, well there are really two questions there: do we want to elect additional Directors, and do we want to appoint additional officers.
[00:31:06] <mrcoolbp> matt_ can you elaborate on the difference?
[00:31:27] <Bytram> I'd appreciate a refresher, too.
[00:31:32] <matt_> xlefay, actually, wouldn't it be good if there were a wiki where people could raise issues, so that we would be sure to bring them up at the next meeting, whenever that meeting is?
[00:31:53] <mrcoolbp> matt_ that's a great idea
[00:31:55] <mattie_p> officers are "official" staff of the corporation, board members vote in these meetings. They do not necessarily overlap, although right now they do
[00:31:58] <xlefay> matt_, that's a great idea!
[00:32:31] <Bytram> how would/could they be different?
[00:32:41] <matt_> mrcoolbp, ok. so directors are directors (they take votes at board meetings, and the board has general responsibility for the corporation), while the officers are President, CEO, Treasurer, Secretary, and any number of Vice Presidents, Assistant Treasurers, Assistant Secretaries, etc., each of whom has specific duties.
[00:32:57] <paulej72> do we want team leaders to be board members?
[00:33:05] <matt_> mattie_p, exactly!
[00:33:08] <mrcoolbp> NCommander ^^
[00:34:06] <NCommander> paulej72, dev, Ieditoral, community, IRC?
[00:34:07] <mattie_p> officers run the day to day business of the corporation. board members control the overall direction and appoint officers, but do not make day-to-day operational business decisions
[00:34:08] <matt_> i would suggest that the officers should be given maximum leeway to discharge their duties, and that the board only step in on specific issues if there is a credible legal or financial issue.
[00:34:22] <NCommander> ack on what matt_ says
[00:34:32] <mattie_p> so each of the three board members currently has two hats, if you will
[00:34:43] <mrcoolbp> matt_ I ACK that as well
[00:35:17] <paulej72> yes NCommander
[00:35:35] <juggs> ack as in dislike?
[00:35:44] <xlefay> ack as in acknowledge I assume
[00:35:45] <mattie_p> ack = acknowledge
[00:35:50] <juggs> ty
[00:35:53] <Bytram> NCommander: and qa, too?
[00:35:53] <matt_> i would also suggest that the board be kept to a reasonable size to facilitate scheduling, discussion, and voting.
[00:36:09] <NCommander> Bytram, yes, but I also don't want to overcrowd the board
[00:36:19] <Bytram> NCommander: noted.
[00:36:39] <NCommander> I recommend we toss this on chillax or the mailing list, and bring it back up next meeting
[00:36:54] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: agreed
[00:36:54] <Bytram> matt_: in your experience, how large is "too big"?
[00:36:55] <paulej72> and should the board confirm the current team structure or do a restructure if we do make team leaders booard members
[00:37:20] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: we don't have an outline for the structure in any formal means
[00:37:32] <mrcoolbp> so I wouldn't feel right confirming that
[00:37:56] <matt_> Bytram, in the very early stages (e.g., now), it is helpful to keep it to 3, just to keep things moving forward. Pretty soon, i would imagine it could/should be increased, probably to a maximum of 5-ish.
[00:38:46] <juggs> I d/conned not sure if I missed anything :(
[00:38:57] <Bytram> matt_: thanks. My experience has been that many more than 6 or so and things take much longer to decide. thanks for the confirmation.
[00:39:01] <mrcoolbp> juggs: check the log after
[00:40:04] <matt_> Bytram, agreed. Also, there is a lot on the agenda in these early days, but pretty soon i would expect board meetings to need to happen less frequently, and have fewer major issues to discuss.
[00:40:28] <mrcoolbp> okay, so should we move on to the Format for Board Meetings on IRC?
[00:41:17] <matt_> ok. any thoughts?
[00:41:28] <Bytram> should we discuss that here, and now, or just agree we need one and work itout later?
[00:41:52] <Bytram> the details of the IRC board meeting, that is
[00:41:56] <mrcoolbp> maybe get someone on a task force that could propose something for another meeting?
[00:42:31] <Bytram> I'll take that.
[00:42:45] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: thanks, I'd suggest working with xlefay
[00:42:51] <mrcoolbp> okay, anything else?
[00:42:54] <mrcoolbp> did we miss anything?
[00:43:52] <Bytram> I can't think of anything off-hand.
[00:44:11] <matt_> i think that's it. so my tasks (aside from investigating pastebin) are: draft and send a "Unanimous Written Consent of the Board of Directors" that includes the proposed amendment to the bylaws, and everything else that has been decided so far.
[00:44:29] <NCommander> Mine are bang on the subscription code, and call accountent
[00:45:24] <mrcoolbp> mine are the policy manual and the store
[00:45:27] <Bytram> I'll work on a draft format for holding Board Meeting discussions on IRC.
[00:45:30] * mrcoolbp checks notes
[00:45:51] <matt_> NCommander, also to finish up your incorporation post?
[00:45:52] <mrcoolbp> I think that's it
[00:46:00] <NCommander> oh that too
[00:46:07] <NCommander> Beyond that, anything else, or can we close this ot?
[00:46:12] * NCommander really kinda needs to lie down :-/
[00:46:15] <matt_> All those in favor of adjourning?
[00:46:26] <Bytram> NCommander: I can help with the incorporation post
[00:46:28] <NCommander> aye
[00:46:29] <mrcoolbp> Aye!
[00:46:30] <matt_> Aye!
[00:46:32] <matt_> This Meeting of the Board of Directors of SoylentNews PBC stands adjourned!