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'''Update:''' With the tsunami of volunteers I (John, the admin) am starting to believe that this project could be done non-profit and community driven, in the manner of Wikipedia.
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'''Update:'''This project will be non-profit and community-driven.


I'm not wedded to for-profit, and realize that people want assurances about selling out in the future &c.
I'm not wedded to for-profit, and realize that people want assurances about selling out in the future &c.
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Please continue to discuss, only note that I won't be responding to these issues for awhile.
Please continue to discuss, only note that I won't be responding to these issues for awhile.


Here's a copy of my vision for the project, was sent around in one of the mailing list posts. Note that it puts "attract and keep readers" first, before "make money". The intent is to avoid trading off user satisfaction for money - the users come first.
You can leave comments in the space below.


* The purpose of the site will be to attract and keep readers.
* The site is intended to make money
* The site will hire people, and be a good employer
* I intend to listen to community feedback and do whatever makes the site better
* There will be monetization; however, this is secondary to the primary goal, which is to attract and keep readers.
* Users will be monetized (ie we won't sell our user's contact info)
* We won't poach from Slashdot


=Business=
Slashdot was originally run using 10 full time employees ([[http://strom.com/awards/237.html|source]]).


(Monetization meaning largely what Slashdot does now: advertizing, merchandise, and job postings.)
Summary of the business history on [[wikipedia:Slashdot|Wikipedia]].


The direction we are headed towards is some type of NFP. Staff are discussing and contacting various organizations as how best to proceed. This will require incorporation, which is also being pursued.




== Business model variants ==
*[[ForProfit|Centralised, for profit]];
*[[PureContent|A pure content provider, community provides web servers]]
*[[Distributed|Fully decentralised architectures]].


'''Note:''' this is only a proposal! This has never been done before, and I have no idea at this time whether it's feasible, or even legal.


You can leave comments in the space below
== Ideas on how to make money to finance the operation ==
* What makes Slash so good? The comments section! Why? Because it brings together a large group of smart and intelligent IT professionals who share their collective knowledge.
* -> This is value!
* -> Who has money to spend? Managers, finance guys, etc.
* -> What do they need? Expertise.
* => (1) How about crowdsourcing answers for questions they have? Like "What the heck is WebRTC?", "What are the costs of implementing XYZ in my company?", "Who has experience with XYZ? Why should or shouldn't I buy it?", "How can I solve problem XYZ?"-> Sell "ask Slash" posts with an additional "professional review by mods with a lot of karma" feature. Introduce extra karma/virtual gold coins for those who contribute with valuable answers to these "ask Slash professional" posts.
* ==> the idea is to make money out of the explicit value Slash has, namely its community/commenters.


== Business model variants ==
 
[[ForProfit|Centralised, for profit]]
* Below is a copy from [[FeatureList#Article_submission]] - '''To have funds for all that''', we could use:
[[Distributed|Decentralised, hosting via a bit--torrent style plugin]]
** That tipping system (mentioned in moderation section of [[FeatureList]]), and everytime you tip someone else a very tiny fraction of that tip goes to [this project]. <-- I like this [[User:Mrcoolbp|mrcoolbp]] ([[User talk:Mrcoolbp|talk]]) 23:15, 14 February 2014 (MST)
** Also payments from people desperate to post in thread (or story) where they have moderated (if we decide that this feature is useful, and if it is thread or whole story) - also  in moderation section of [[FeatureList]]. <-- mentioned elsewhere that this is not a good idea (people with money shouldn't have more say) [[User:Mrcoolbp|mrcoolbp]] ([[User talk:Mrcoolbp|talk]]) 23:15, 14 February 2014 (MST)
** Failed submitters, who had to give back their cryptocoin reward for their submission plus some extra fraction because their story was hated after it was submitted (think Roland Piquepaille) as mentioned in [[FeatureList]] (they can't submit new stories if they don't give back their payments).
** Also we can simply hope for money from cryptocoin donations address. IMHO that is quite possible if we make this site good.
** We might consider ''paying subscribers'' using cryptocoin.
** Make a "featured product/serivce -> ask for review" section that charges for having a product reviewed

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Update:This project will be non-profit and community-driven.

I'm not wedded to for-profit, and realize that people want assurances about selling out in the future &c.

I'm going to put this issue off and post no substantive position until we have a working site and get a chance to catch our breath. This will take about 2 weeks, maybe 4 if we're unlucky.

People can then make proposals and we can discuss assurances and whatnot. If you can hold off on your misgivings until then, we can work on getting the site up and running.

Please continue to discuss, only note that I won't be responding to these issues for awhile.

You can leave comments in the space below.


Business

Slashdot was originally run using 10 full time employees ([[1]]).

Summary of the business history on Wikipedia.

The direction we are headed towards is some type of NFP. Staff are discussing and contacting various organizations as how best to proceed. This will require incorporation, which is also being pursued.


Business model variants


Ideas on how to make money to finance the operation

  • What makes Slash so good? The comments section! Why? Because it brings together a large group of smart and intelligent IT professionals who share their collective knowledge.
  • -> This is value!
  • -> Who has money to spend? Managers, finance guys, etc.
  • -> What do they need? Expertise.
  • => (1) How about crowdsourcing answers for questions they have? Like "What the heck is WebRTC?", "What are the costs of implementing XYZ in my company?", "Who has experience with XYZ? Why should or shouldn't I buy it?", "How can I solve problem XYZ?"-> Sell "ask Slash" posts with an additional "professional review by mods with a lot of karma" feature. Introduce extra karma/virtual gold coins for those who contribute with valuable answers to these "ask Slash professional" posts.
  • ==> the idea is to make money out of the explicit value Slash has, namely its community/commenters.


  • Below is a copy from FeatureList#Article_submission - To have funds for all that, we could use:
    • That tipping system (mentioned in moderation section of FeatureList), and everytime you tip someone else a very tiny fraction of that tip goes to [this project]. <-- I like this mrcoolbp (talk) 23:15, 14 February 2014 (MST)
    • Also payments from people desperate to post in thread (or story) where they have moderated (if we decide that this feature is useful, and if it is thread or whole story) - also in moderation section of FeatureList. <-- mentioned elsewhere that this is not a good idea (people with money shouldn't have more say) mrcoolbp (talk) 23:15, 14 February 2014 (MST)
    • Failed submitters, who had to give back their cryptocoin reward for their submission plus some extra fraction because their story was hated after it was submitted (think Roland Piquepaille) as mentioned in FeatureList (they can't submit new stories if they don't give back their payments).
    • Also we can simply hope for money from cryptocoin donations address. IMHO that is quite possible if we make this site good.
    • We might consider paying subscribers using cryptocoin.
    • Make a "featured product/serivce -> ask for review" section that charges for having a product reviewed
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